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IBM speeds push for 500-mile EV battery

CNET -- Big Blue signs on partners for its Battery 500 Project to design an "air-breathing" lithium air battery that would create a leap in energy density. Ten years from now, range anxiety for electric cars could be a thing of the past.

IBM today announced two partners for a project aimed at building a lithium air battery able to propel an electric car 500 miles. Scientists from Asahi Kasei and Central Glass with expertise in membranes and electrolyte chemistries will join IBM researchers on the initiative.

Called the Battery 500 Project, the goal is to design an "air-breathing" battery that will use oxygen from the air to drive a new type of battery chemical reaction and, in the process, deliver a big jump in EV range potential. The company hopes to have a working demonstration by the end of..

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Submitted Apr 25, 2012 By: Tomeboy

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,590 Points:1,606,595 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:04:13 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse it can be done. Let's hope it WILL NOT be shelved like so many other things involving the profits of Pig Oil.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,590 Points:1,606,595 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 4:58:14 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse It can be done, it's a matter of having the money R&D and the production.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:32,927 Points:2,342,585 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Apr 26, 2012 12:12:00 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse If a 500 mile EV battery is possible and it works, than So Be It! - And start production! Lighter, cheaper and longer lasting batteries are needed. Given enough time and many more improvements, an EV battery can be developed to increase the range with either a quick charge and Not an extended recharging time. Inbreds and EV's are too high priced for me. With the high price of a new EV or Inbred, I will drive my current vehicle into the ground before buying anything new, used, EV, Inbred, diesel, hydrogen, alternative fuel, CNG, concept or anything else. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using other forms of less expensive transportation to lower your cost, if possible. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
NakedDriver Champion Author Des Moines Posts:15,839 Points:2,458,275 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 11:21:59 PM Ignore NakedDriver Report Abuse ə i hope it works. that would make the ev practical for short trips rather than just commuting. ə
GoGoGoodyear Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:2,048 Points:505,360 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:55:08 PM Ignore GoGoGoodyear Report Abuse This may be a great idea if it ever gets off the ground and I have alot of faith in IBM engineers considering the advances they have come up with in computing technology, but right now it's still too far in the future to help with our current transportation problems. The researcher is quoted in the article: "There are still tremendous engineering challenges ahead so there's no hope of it happening this decade." I remember reading an article several years ago about a company trying to develop a battery for laptop computers that would run on air. The technology may have been similar. I don't want to seem like a naysayer, but that idea never got into production.
RENEGADEGAS Champion Author Missouri Posts:14,894 Points:1,588,300 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:53:32 PM Ignore RENEGADEGAS Report Abuse This is more old news. The top five has really taken a major turn for the worse over the last few weeks. Used to be informative and on topic. Sad. Hate seeing a good thing fall apart.
TBONE3 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:8,731 Points:1,973,725 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:37:10 PM Ignore TBONE3 Report Abuse Worth looking into in ten years.
afghaned Champion Author Hamilton Posts:11,798 Points:1,282,460 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:36:36 PM Ignore afghaned Report Abuse Yesterday news.
CarolinaBlue150 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:1,430 Points:300,000 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:36:03 PM Ignore CarolinaBlue150 Report Abuse That would be a huge step, if it comes about at an affordable price.
gas4433 Champion Author Houston Posts:2,342 Points:542,725 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:35:09 PM Ignore gas4433 Report Abuse Ok
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:51,253 Points:2,140,250 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:28:28 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse On Apr 25, 2012 11:27:31 PM, Badjef wrote: >The Space Station operates in a vacuum. Not a perfect vacuum, there is still some drag. >No friction to slow it down. Why then does the Russian Segment have to execute periodic reboosts? It's not to give the Russians something to do.
TXryder Champion Author Texas Posts:2,691 Points:429,705 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:28:18 PM Ignore TXryder Report Abuse some crooked oil tyrant will pay IBM to sweep it under the rug
gougenator Champion Author Dallas Posts:29,837 Points:3,242,000 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:27:11 PM Ignore gougenator Report Abuse aint ready for flmsy battery technology ,guess it wont happen my lifetime
joezIN Champion Author Gary Posts:1,663 Points:331,810 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:25:52 PM Ignore joezIN Report Abuse go
gmcgas Champion Author Atlanta Posts:5,935 Points:1,710,355 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:25:38 PM Ignore gmcgas Report Abuse ok
windows7isfast Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:2,389 Points:487,250 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:22:44 PM Ignore windows7isfast Report Abuse wow
gumbyrex Champion Author Fresno Posts:3,281 Points:755,290 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:21:08 PM Ignore gumbyrex Report Abuse Go get 'em Big Blue!
dasAuto All-Star Author Regina Posts:703 Points:502,520 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:19:49 PM Ignore dasAuto Report Abuse At the very least it sounds interesting. I hope the potential turns into something tangible for the future!
btex49 Champion Author Austin Posts:2,705 Points:528,155 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:17:42 PM Ignore btex49 Report Abuse No telling what this technological advance will add to the cost of EVs.
granitestater Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:8,805 Points:1,427,825 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:16:02 PM Ignore granitestater Report Abuse The range is good. But will it be cheap? And will it charge in quick time? And will it last years?
pyndasky Champion Author Maryland Posts:9,985 Points:1,778,880 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:15:02 PM Ignore pyndasky Report Abuse interesting..... but I wonder how much$$$???
DirtDauber Champion Author San Antonio Posts:6,766 Points:1,624,535 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:12:42 PM Ignore DirtDauber Report Abuse Maybe a breakthrough.
Thomtec Champion Author Nashville Posts:2,448 Points:605,220 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:10:24 PM Ignore Thomtec Report Abuse Isn't technology wonderful!
GasCzarCO Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:1,399 Points:797,295 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:10:22 PM Ignore GasCzarCO Report Abuse Now that's a company that can see into the future; GO IBM!!
MidNJ Champion Author New Jersey Posts:7,536 Points:1,169,685 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:10:05 PM Ignore MidNJ Report Abuse For those who have money to invest this sure seems like a good bet.
yonasb Champion Author Houston Posts:3,463 Points:736,125 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:09:33 PM Ignore yonasb Report Abuse Ok
nomad228 Champion Author Columbus Posts:3,117 Points:575,140 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:07:39 PM Ignore nomad228 Report Abuse the only problem is no one will be able to afford it except the top one percent.
TIGERPAW46 Champion Author Florida Posts:7,114 Points:1,352,710 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:07:35 PM Ignore TIGERPAW46 Report Abuse A battery that would operate at near peak capacity for 400--500 miles at highway speeds would help the EV industry a lot. HowEVer, it would also have to last for 5--10 yrs depending on final Cost, Weight, reliability ect. For Example not overheat & explode from high speeds for hrs. or fast recharges. Also collision resistant barrier encased. The you still have the Problem of overall cost of EV vs Petroleum or Hybrid vehicles. Also use of Rare earth elements with restricted supplies will become as big or worse problem than the petroleum.
Tomeboy Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,749 Points:556,090 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:04:43 PM Ignore Tomeboy Report Abuse “New materials development is vitally important to ensuring the viability of lithium-air battery technology,” said Tatsuya Mori, director and executive managing officer, Central Glass. “As a long-standing partner of IBM and leader in developing high-performance electrolytes for batteries, we’re excited to share each other’s chemical and scientific expertise in a field as exciting as electric vehicles.” Tetsuro Ohta, head of Advanced Battery Materials Development Center, Asahi Kasei, said: “We are very focused on addressing environmental challenges and limitations with diverse technology to build a brighter future.” “This alliance allows us to explore a new path to developing an improved rechargeable battery performance that cannot be met with conventional technologies,” he added.
kosciak Champion Author Hartford Posts:1,106 Points:531,275 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:04:35 PM Ignore kosciak Report Abuse very good news
gaspricemachine Veteran Author Tampa Posts:273 Points:1,190,420 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:04:12 PM Ignore gaspricemachine Report Abuse we need it before gas price cross another milestone...
Tomeboy Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,749 Points:556,090 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:03:57 PM Ignore Tomeboy Report Abuse “These new partners share our vision of electric cars being critical components of building a cleaner, better world, which is far less dependent on oil,” said Dr Winfried Wilcke, IBM’s Principle Investigator who initiated the Battery 500 Project. “Their compatible experience, knowledge and commitment to bold innovation in electric vehicle battery technology can help us transfer this research from the lab onto the road.” Most electric vehicles can only travel about 100 miles before needing to recharge using today's lithium-ion batteries. This is a significant barrier to electric car adoption unless a new battery technology can be developed that is affordable, lightweight, compact and has the capacity to power a typical family car several hundred miles or more on a single charge. For a car running on today's lithium-ion batteries to match the range provided by a tank of gasoline, car manufacturers would need a very large battery which would weigh down the car and take up too much space. Lithium-air batteries have higher energy density than lithium-ion batteries, due to their lighter cathodes and the fact that their primary "fuel" is the oxygen readily available in the atmosphere. To popularize electric cars, an energy density ten times greater than that of conventional lithium-ion batteries is needed, and these new partners to the project can help drive lithium-air technology towards that goal.
Tundralimited2009 Champion Author Dallas Posts:38,812 Points:1,447,425 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:03:48 PM Ignore Tundralimited2009 Report Abuse Interesting
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Tomeboy Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,749 Points:556,090 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 9:59:48 PM Ignore Tomeboy Report Abuse In 2009, IBM Research pioneered a sustainable mobility project to develop lithium-air battery technology capable of powering a family-sized electric car for approximately 500 miles (800 km) on a single charge. As partners in the Battery 500 Project, Asahi Kasei and Central Glass bring decades of materials innovation for the automotive industry to the team. They will expand the project’s scope and, although the scientific and engineering challenges to its practical implementation are extremely high, exploring several chemistries simultaneously increases the chance of success. Asahi Kasei, one of Japan's leading chemical manufactures and a leading global supplier of separator membrane for lithium-ion batteries, will use its experience in innovative membrane technology to create a critical component for lithium-air batteries. Central Glass, a leading global electrolyte manufacturer for lithium-ion batteries, will use its chemical expertise in this field to create a new class of electrolytes and high-performance additives specifically designed to improve lithium-air batteries. [Edited by: Tomeboy at 4/26/2012 1:02:19 AM EST]
Tomeboy Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,749 Points:556,090 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 9:58:02 PM Ignore Tomeboy Report Abuse The lithium-air battery was invented years ago, and researchers have been working on improving it since then, primarily due to the fact that it has a potential energy density of 5,000 Wh/kg (5 kWh/kg), meaning that it has the potential to store extremely large amounts of energy in a lightweight package. (Wh = Watt-hours of energy storage capacity… in this case). Take this example: 24 kWh is an average size for an electric vehicle battery pack. A 24-kWh lithium-air battery pack could theoretically weigh as little as 4.8 kg, or 10.5 pounds, which is less than some large bags of rice. Lithium air batteries are still under development, but IBM, which announced plans to research and develop lithium-air technology about a year ago, says that it hopes to have a working prototype available by the end of the year 2012. IBM has announced that two industry leaders -- Asahi Kasei and Central Glass -- will join its Battery 500 Project team which aims to “speed” up research on lithium-air battery for electric vehicles (EVs). God speed IBM and your partners… God speed… [Edited by: Tomeboy at 4/26/2012 12:59:06 AM EST]
2bigtanks All-Star Author Akron Posts:772 Points:371,610 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 9:55:34 PM Ignore 2bigtanks Report Abuse Glad to see Big Blue taking the lead on this. It might have a chance with them in charge. Glad to see the price though.
danol43 Champion Author Modesto Posts:1,697 Points:585,930 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 9:54:40 PM Ignore danol43 Report Abuse They will need at least that much to offset the charging time.
10k Champion Author North Carolina Posts:21,226 Points:2,251,095 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 9:51:19 PM Ignore 10k Report Abuse a better battery for an EV is akin to a livery stable owner throwing in an extra saddle, trying to sell a horse in 1910.. don't matter, the EVs are dead in the water..
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ricebike Champion Author New Jersey Posts:10,016 Points:1,852,940 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 9:47:52 PM Ignore ricebike Report Abuse keep on pushing let the rich test them out then produce them in a massive scale so the price drops
mrbee Champion Author Little Rock Posts:3,738 Points:2,462,685 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 9:47:37 PM Ignore mrbee Report Abuse Good luck.
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letmathe Champion Author Chicago Posts:14,306 Points:3,129,995 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 9:40:55 PM Ignore letmathe Report Abuse yes, please...an affordable one, thank you.
rawdog1313 Champion Author Lexington Posts:3,284 Points:1,639,880 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 9:40:21 PM Ignore rawdog1313 Report Abuse Sounds promising, hope they will be affordable!
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