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Gasoline 'more green than many biofuels'

TG Daily -- Most biofuels are worse for the environment than gasoline, according to the Swiss Federal Laboratories for Materials Science and Technology (Empa).

Since biofuels stem predominantly from agricultural products, there can be negative effects, for example on the supply of food in times of drought, or whether arable land is oversupplied with nutrients.

And, says Empa, many biofuels based on agricultural products do indeed lead to other environmental pollution, such as too much acid in the soil and polluted lakes and rivers.

"Most biofuels therefore just deflect the environmental impact: fewer greenhouse gases, thus more growth-related pollution for land used for agriculture," says researcher Rainer Zah.

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Submitted Sep 28, 2012 By: NOTSOGRN

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remay Champion Author Houston Posts:6,978 Points:2,119,565 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 6:35:03 AM Ignore remay Report Abuse Hmmm... that doesn't comfort me very much.
NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,625 Points:1,144,195 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 9:59:06 PM Ignore NedW Report Abuse Thank you for submitting, NOTSOGREEN.
MAC48 Champion Author Dallas Posts:1,551 Points:768,670 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 8:53:43 PM Ignore MAC48 Report Abuse Still want my US Representative and both Senators to rescind the biofuel use mandate and end any & all subsidies for biofuel production. At the same time, we still need to use taxpayer dollars to advance our level of technology both to increase the efficiency of our current technology and to discover and develop new technologies in the biofuel arena.
sillywagon Champion Author New York Posts:14,907 Points:1,443,295 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 6:09:54 PM Ignore sillywagon Report Abuse It would have been fun to read more details.
E-Squirrel Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,015 Points:820,970 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 5:00:44 PM Ignore E-Squirrel Report Abuse DerHahn advises: "make biofuels from waste products and leave the food products alone." Well, that has "been the plan" for a number of years now. Unfortunately, the most hoped-for technology to do this, cellulosic ethanol is mired back where the German chemists left it in the last century. It still costs at least double of what corn derived ethanol costs. Given the high price per BTU of ethanol to start with, this makes it cost more than you would be willing to pay.
DerHahn Champion Author Illinois Posts:13,727 Points:2,116,085 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 2:23:46 PM Ignore DerHahn Report Abuse make biofuels from waste products and leave the food products alone. bad enough it's hard for many to afford the fuel needed to get to work, no need to drive food prices to the same levels.
TruthMatters Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,525 Points:535,710 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 1:35:40 PM Ignore TruthMatters Report Abuse Don't believe everything you read!
EvergreenON All-Star Author Ontario Posts:948 Points:485,415 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 1:17:11 PM Ignore EvergreenON Report Abuse Just stop ethanol production
ObieDog Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,976 Points:853,845 Joined:Sep 2010	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 1:12:29 PM Ignore ObieDog Report Abuse It's painful to look at what things really cost.
Yooperheart Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,430 Points:528,975 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 11:36:47 AM Ignore Yooperheart Report Abuse Like your comment MrDeath666...
CapriceWagon All-Star Author Washington Posts:949 Points:481,020 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 9:39:09 AM Ignore CapriceWagon Report Abuse If you really want to shrink your carbon footprint, just don't have kids. Otherwise, accept that you're going to have an impact on this planet, and that it's only natural.
schatzila Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:4,959 Points:1,018,570 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 9:34:43 AM Ignore schatzila Report Abuse I'll leave it to the scientists to figure it out.
Tehbob Champion Author California Posts:2,306 Points:459,555 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 8:53:47 AM Ignore Tehbob Report Abuse thata nice
Hemi3tc Veteran Author Vancouver Posts:283 Points:285,460 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 8:53:25 AM Ignore Hemi3tc Report Abuse Yuuuppp. Neet to look at the whole process. To much green forest land is being cut down and burned for eco fuel
blupupher Champion Author Houston Posts:3,561 Points:749,995 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 7:45:23 AM Ignore blupupher Report Abuse yup, you need to look at the entire process to see what is green.
AlienBug All-Star Author Connecticut Posts:732 Points:218,035 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 7:04:57 AM Ignore AlienBug Report Abuse Yet another reason to drill baby drill.
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,955 Points:754,160 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 6:35:43 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse The Church of Green is not going to like this....
MAJB Sophomore Author Indianapolis Posts:226 Points:109,560 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 6:26:06 AM Ignore MAJB Report Abuse I don't believe there was ever any doubt in the minds of most intellectuals
MrDeath666 Champion Author Houston Posts:1,626 Points:246,140 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 6:17:58 AM Ignore MrDeath666 Report Abuse This article will make Al Goron cry.
MrLefty0706 Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,454 Points:353,035 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 6:10:27 AM Ignore MrLefty0706 Report Abuse Sad. There have to be more positives. Was this an objective study?
car253 Champion Author Ohio Posts:6,303 Points:1,470,570 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 6:08:06 AM Ignore car253 Report Abuse No real surprise here. No free GREEN lunch. [Edited by: car253 at 9/28/2012 9:09:12 AM EST]
Gas_Eyes Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,687 Points:646,810 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 5:49:55 AM Ignore Gas_Eyes Report Abuse The claim of Ethanol from Corn is a little suspect in this year's drought.
Buckeyee Champion Author Maine Posts:4,616 Points:901,575 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 5:47:55 AM Ignore Buckeyee Report Abuse Very well said, alex395 !!
doeslayersr Champion Author Illinois Posts:9,127 Points:873,955 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 5:44:48 AM Ignore doeslayersr Report Abuse Not to mention the amount of water and energy expended to produce a gallon of "gree" renewable fuel (such as ethanol). It requires a lot of water and the energy of of 1.5 gallons of gasoline for each gallon of ethanol produced. [Edited by: doeslayersr at 9/28/2012 8:45:54 AM EST]
Cakes77 Champion Author Harrisburg Posts:5,171 Points:1,654,695 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 5:33:36 AM Ignore Cakes77 Report Abuse Hard to believe this. There may be a FEW modern refineries like this.
alex395 Champion Author Louisville Posts:2,053 Points:276,895 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 5:30:00 AM Ignore alex395 Report Abuse Greenies out of touch. That is what happens when you have your head rammed up the EPA's butt.
gandalfthegrey1 Champion Author Houston Posts:1,184 Points:384,785 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 5:29:40 AM Ignore gandalfthegrey1 Report Abuse Ah. Seems to be a case of "pick your poison" - or more to the point pick your pollutant. Greenies will have a nice day figuring this one out.
bar1035 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:9,172 Points:1,300,170 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 5:29:27 AM Ignore bar1035 Report Abuse Reminds me, I need to plow the garden today
SycamoreISU Champion Author Indiana Posts:1,040 Points:261,185 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 5:28:12 AM Ignore SycamoreISU Report Abuse Food should fuel living beings, not motors!
GingoutMD Champion Author Maryland Posts:3,495 Points:713,305 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 5:16:58 AM Ignore GingoutMD Report Abuse If the author is counting intangibles into the "green" calculation of biofuels, does the author also consider the cost of oil spills (damage to the environment and amount of fuel burned to clean up the mess) into his calculation for gas? Not likely...
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Joeski1 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:10,012 Points:1,743,785 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 5:00:19 AM Ignore Joeski1 Report Abuse I guess I'll use 87 octane on my flower beds next year instead of miracle-gro*
Wally3023 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:2,041 Points:542,150 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 4:53:22 AM Ignore Wally3023 Report Abuse I'd like to see a study done
Evilmaddog Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,332 Points:959,500 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 4:48:29 AM Ignore Evilmaddog Report Abuse never mind the energy it takes to make ethanol, and the lower mpg
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JamesCalvin Champion Author Lancaster Posts:3,196 Points:521,505 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 3:58:07 AM Ignore JamesCalvin Report Abuse The truth that "Gasoline 'more green than many biofuels'" is self evident! Has been for decades!
Piper0072 All-Star Author Rochester Posts:906 Points:383,330 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 3:38:24 AM Ignore Piper0072 Report Abuse Ethanol scam needs to be reversed.
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George0446 All-Star Author Massachusetts Posts:508 Points:233,010 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 2:12:52 AM Ignore George0446 Report Abuse We have advanced technology. We must use it in the most efficent way. Cut the mandates and subsidies. Let the free market pick the winners.
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