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Auto Black Boxes: Will They Invade Your Privacy?

The Wall Street Journal -- If you thought having EZ Pass in your car would make it too easy for the government to track you, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

The Senate passed a bill in March that calls for “mandatory event data recorders” (or black boxes) to be installed in all new passenger motor vehicles, starting with the 2015 models, and which would record data before, during or after a crash, according to KurzweilAI.net.

The bill, which can be seen here, has a privacy provision but gives the government the authority to access the black box in a number of circumstances, including court order, consent of the owner, an investigation or inspection, or to determine the need for emergency responses.

If you thought having EZ Pass in your car would make it too easy for the government to track you, you ain’t seen nothing

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Submitted Apr 24, 2012 By: angel4me

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tjc09f Veteran Author Tallahassee Posts:468 Points:669,045 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 8:26:11 PM Ignore tjc09f Report Abuse Big brother is watching
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:2,993 Points:596,760 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:36:00 AM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse Thank you for posting.
DanMtz Champion Author Oakland Posts:3,345 Points:1,241,375 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 6:45:35 AM Ignore DanMtz Report Abuse GPS recorders will be standard equipment in the near future, anyway.
remay Champion Author Houston Posts:6,963 Points:2,116,640 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 6:29:09 AM Ignore remay Report Abuse If I have nothing to hide, why not?
packards42 Champion Author Washington Posts:6,442 Points:1,127,615 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 4:19:11 AM Ignore packards42 Report Abuse Not a good idea. It a waste of my money, and someone will use it against me.
calypso93 Champion Author Scranton Posts:11,198 Points:1,292,160 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 3:26:25 AM Ignore calypso93 Report Abuse Do ya suppose On-Star is close to this?
TXGasPriceSpy Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:7,805 Points:1,471,300 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:05:06 PM Ignore TXGasPriceSpy Report Abuse Auto black boxes and Obama, both must go.
rodzilla123 Champion Author San Diego Posts:4,390 Points:1,032,415 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:04:35 PM Ignore rodzilla123 Report Abuse Yes they will in a very bad way. More Government control and Insurance Companies trying to get out of Paying off valid claims.
jtfftj Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:2,176 Points:1,247,305 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:03:35 PM Ignore jtfftj Report Abuse Finish your business her on GasBuddy and write you Congressman now to stop passage of MAP-21, the enabling legislation to expand the use of Black Boxes.
NakedDriver Champion Author Des Moines Posts:15,849 Points:2,460,225 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:03:13 PM Ignore NakedDriver Report Abuse ə bad idea! these things could be used to check _all_ activity in the vehicle! i think the meaasure should be defeated. ə
GigHarborHound Champion Author Tacoma Posts:2,527 Points:486,540 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:59:55 PM Ignore GigHarborHound Report Abuse There already, to a certain degree!!!
southrob Champion Author Tucson Posts:3,590 Points:686,225 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:59:44 PM Ignore southrob Report Abuse dhan
Rooster922 Champion Author Wilmington Posts:3,783 Points:655,095 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:59:41 PM Ignore Rooster922 Report Abuse Yes
esquared Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:8,057 Points:1,968,160 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:57:42 PM Ignore esquared Report Abuse Not gonna happen.
GAS1251 Champion Author Texas Posts:5,143 Points:1,625,255 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:51:47 PM Ignore GAS1251 Report Abuse That's past-tense. Already happening.
mconley1967 All-Star Author Louisville Posts:586 Points:358,730 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:51:06 PM Ignore mconley1967 Report Abuse Ok
Buddy2264 Champion Author Tampa Posts:11,649 Points:2,358,995 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:50:41 PM Ignore Buddy2264 Report Abuse Interesting and what else will it tack that we do not know about?
boatmen Champion Author New York Posts:3,075 Points:621,605 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:48:52 PM Ignore boatmen Report Abuse they already track us on-star nav programs ez-pass
TustinDad Champion Author Orange County Posts:4,271 Points:907,215 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:48:10 PM Ignore TustinDad Report Abuse jrsva wrote: "It would be useful if a serious accident winds up in court but for routine stuff, no way. It should probably be inadmissible in court unless both vehicles in a crash have the device in order to fairly assess responsibility." I'm afraid none of that will happen once this has been in use for a while. Let's just hope the House has enough sense not to approve it. But it is in the Highway Bill so I doubt it will be taken out.
CdnLynx Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,020 Points:523,005 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:46:24 PM Ignore CdnLynx Report Abuse Not much sense sweating the small stuff; it's only the beginning of the 21st century, we have GPS navigation and Cell Phones w/gps, Google earth, surveillance cams; the list is only going to grow; only a matter of time! Time, that seems to grow quicker, with each passing second. Animals have chips under their skin; how much longer before we have identifying chips that know where we are 24 hrs a day w/satellite tracking. Orwellian time is now; excuse me, while i ck my battery in my forearm chip! {;-\| I really waiting for the "beam me up scotty device"; the H#$* w/cell phones, that's the gear I really want!! {:-O [Edited by: CdnLynx at 4/25/2012 12:52:34 AM EST]
wildddkattt80 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,143 Points:432,145 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:46:23 PM Ignore wildddkattt80 Report Abuse I hate to tell you but how many have given data on tracking us already voluntarily using software like Facebook?
TustinDad Champion Author Orange County Posts:4,271 Points:907,215 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:45:52 PM Ignore TustinDad Report Abuse geminijax wrote: "Big Brother is getting bigger and nosier! Heil Comrade Obama! Freedom is never lost in a day; rather, it is lost one small piece at a time!" It's just that it was a pretty big step the day the Patriot Act was signed in to law. But that was Comrade Bush, so it probably doesn't count. [Edited by: TustinDad at 4/25/2012 12:46:27 AM EST]
TustinDad Champion Author Orange County Posts:4,271 Points:907,215 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:44:20 PM Ignore TustinDad Report Abuse Z51Corvette wrote: "More Socialistic agenda stuff!" It's nothing compared to the Patriot Act. So are you calling Bush a Socialist now?
fuelsaverMN Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,282 Points:559,080 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:44:15 PM Ignore fuelsaverMN Report Abuse "ABSOLUTELY NOT.....NOT.......NOT........NOT........
rxman1 Champion Author Toledo Posts:9,540 Points:1,860,920 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:43:03 PM Ignore rxman1 Report Abuse It is all about power and control not about individual liberty
Dodge_Me Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,214 Points:555,480 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:42:53 PM Ignore Dodge_Me Report Abuse You think the courts are backed up already, just wait till they start "analyzing the data" like an airplane black box, it will take forever to sue the pants off an DUI idiot. [Edited by: Dodge_Me at 4/25/2012 12:45:55 AM EST]
CarolinaBlue150 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:1,430 Points:300,000 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:38:10 PM Ignore CarolinaBlue150 Report Abuse Of course it will invade your privacy; duh.
Matt G Champion Author Boston Posts:4,528 Points:2,772,065 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:37:25 PM Ignore Matt G Report Abuse Yes
KrsnaDragon Champion Author Montreal Posts:2,402 Points:529,575 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:36:37 PM Ignore KrsnaDragon Report Abuse These devices could provide invaluable forensic evidence.
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,846 Points:1,611,275 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:33:25 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse It would be useful if a serious accident winds up in court but for routine stuff, no way. It should probably be inadmissible in court unless both vehicles in a crash have the device in order to fairly assess responsibility.
2bigtanks All-Star Author Akron Posts:772 Points:371,610 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:32:47 PM Ignore 2bigtanks Report Abuse Take a look at the book 1984...wow 2012...wow.
granitestater Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:8,817 Points:1,429,775 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:32:25 PM Ignore granitestater Report Abuse Soon the Black Box will check your speed and location. And the results will be fowarded to traffic court for fines and punishment...
g747 Champion Author Mobile Posts:4,531 Points:931,720 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:32:07 PM Ignore g747 Report Abuse I think it is a good thing to a certain extent.
nomad228 Champion Author Columbus Posts:3,117 Points:575,140 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:31:48 PM Ignore nomad228 Report Abuse it's called a jumper.then no black box data will be recorded. : )
rawdog1313 Champion Author Lexington Posts:3,294 Points:1,641,830 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:30:11 PM Ignore rawdog1313 Report Abuse Sounds like the Party of No to me!!
SteelPenny Champion Author Dallas Posts:30,943 Points:2,605,765 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:30:11 PM Ignore SteelPenny Report Abuse Y-E-S
Rageagainsttm Champion Author Tampa Posts:8,298 Points:1,902,005 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:30:10 PM Ignore Rageagainsttm Report Abuse bad idea
joel27nc Champion Author Raleigh Posts:10,532 Points:1,857,395 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:29:56 PM Ignore joel27nc Report Abuse Yes.....no black boxes!
jem069 Champion Author Detroit Posts:2,533 Points:686,105 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:29:36 PM Ignore jem069 Report Abuse Ok
AuntieM2 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:9,475 Points:933,895 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:29:25 PM Ignore AuntieM2 Report Abuse I do not like having my privacy invaded so easily.
Rageagainsttm Champion Author Tampa Posts:8,298 Points:1,902,005 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:29:10 PM Ignore Rageagainsttm Report Abuse yes
Z51Corvette Champion Author Austin Posts:8,480 Points:1,670,195 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:27:33 PM Ignore Z51Corvette Report Abuse More Socialistic agenda stuff! Hey folks... time to vote these clowns out! Oh... the computers in current cars can be checked also... I am keeping my pre-computer cars to drive! That way they can't track me as well... What do you think ON STAR does folks... Hello, Big Brother wants to watch you!
Double_Golden Champion Author San Francisco Posts:2,555 Points:603,660 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:27:08 PM Ignore Double_Golden Report Abuse yes, I will not buy a car that has a black boxes on it...
abacus44 Champion Author Toms River Posts:3,475 Points:747,515 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:25:59 PM Ignore abacus44 Report Abuse Of course they will, it's just another step in eroding our privacy.
Quick68 Champion Author Columbus Posts:8,218 Points:1,224,825 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:25:55 PM Ignore Quick68 Report Abuse You don't have your privacy today. Big brother is watching us every minute.
geminijax Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:16,826 Points:2,725,950 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:25:33 PM Ignore geminijax Report Abuse Big Brother is getting bigger and nosier! Heil Comrade Obama! Freedom is never lost in a day; rather, it is lost one small piece at a time!
nightworker998 Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,802 Points:665,640 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:25:23 PM Ignore nightworker998 Report Abuse So much for the fourth amendment now big brother can monitor where and how I drive. Since when has the need for a warrent stopped the government?
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Ray_10589 Champion Author New York Posts:4,941 Points:1,182,010 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:24:12 PM Ignore Ray_10589 Report Abuse good and bad ....
heartbroken2010 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:4,339 Points:896,560 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:22:23 PM Ignore heartbroken2010 Report Abuse Interesting.