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JT

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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 9:01:00 PM

Should backup cameras be mandatory standard equipment in all vehicles?
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: May 5, 2012 5:24:26 AM

Navystore said "To many people back up and don't look where they are going, causing lots of accidents."

What makes you think they will look at the CAMERA? And, if they do look and focus on the camera, what makes you think they will use the REST of their senses (that they are apparently lacking in the first place)?

This is a misguided mandate in the name of safety that will not be the best solution. These cameras are 2d and low quality (at least what they will mandate to keep the price down). It will NOT [or more accurately SHOULD NOT] replace the other things a good driver should already be doing. Users will have their attention buried in their dash rather than the world around their car. Back up sensors are better, but not back up beepers (ones that beep to warn others rather than warn the driver that something is there) IF the number of accidents backing up are sufficient to warrant that feature.

We need to have people become more aware of the world around them, That means stop walking while texting, with earbuds and being unaware of where you are. That means PARENTS watching and taking responsibility for their kids and not letting them wander unattended while they return to the car where they forgot something because they were not attentive. That means parents teaching their kids to not play around cars - especially hide and seek. That means drivers using their FULL senses and COMMON SENSE when driving and especially when backing up.

MANDATORY BU CAMERAS - HECK NO!

Back up sensors, maybe....

[Edited by: TXJEANS at 5/5/2012 8:24:07 AM EST]
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vince31jr
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Message Posted: May 5, 2012 5:10:04 AM

yes, for camera on while you were on the road.in case you were involve in card accident, it will use as an evidence who was at fault at the accident. I guess,the insurance company be consider to lower the monthly to have this camera built in the vehicle.
NO, if it way too costly , if insurance company stays and do not reduced our monthly premium. I guess we should never depend on this back up camera at all times, as we still have to keep on eye and be responsible driving
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grandmacbc
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Message Posted: May 5, 2012 4:32:06 AM

It's more dangerous to park a sedan next an SUV or Van because you can't see around them and vehicles passing you in parking lots can't see you because your vehicle is shorter than ones next to you! Don't see where backup cameras would help this. Should be areas reserved for sedans in parking lots like in parking ramps.
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Ziggy1962
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Message Posted: May 5, 2012 3:03:51 AM

No.
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pkhdonovan
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Message Posted: May 5, 2012 2:05:04 AM

no
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NavyStore
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 11:16:01 PM

To many people back up and don't look where they are going, causing lots of accidents.
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cssco
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 10:54:20 PM

Way too costly.
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dongo50
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 9:32:46 PM

no
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ranger1169
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 9:26:57 PM

no
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rescuer
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 7:40:44 PM

Get the drunks off the road then talk to me about paying for another expense to save .0002 lives per year.
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02goldwing
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 7:29:13 PM

G.O.A.L

Get Out And Look!
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RxHugh
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 7:19:43 PM

y
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akamaikiwi
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 6:53:28 PM

No, the backup sensor is sufficient. Perhaps the backup sensor should be standard on all cars.
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Bonanza
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 6:03:21 PM

Yes
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Wingking32
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 4:43:47 PM

Sorry Big Blue but I'm far from lazy. Had it not been for the one on my car a 3 yr old precious little girl would likely been a fatality when she darted out from behind the van parked beside me in a local Target parking lot. For safety, make them mandatory and remove the cd/DVD to offset the cost.
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BAJALRRP
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 4:38:40 PM

It should NOT be mandated.
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skanytank
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 4:26:53 PM

it's a decent option but not sure it must be mandated, like others said, if you want it then pay for it, simple enough...
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ladymoondance
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 4:14:30 PM

Should NOT be mandatory.
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wimpy
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 3:13:14 PM

yes, backup cameras should be mandatory, its a safety issues.
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BigBlue5
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 1:44:42 PM

No, Putting backup cameras in all vehicles is a waste of money. They go against what we learned in drivers school - Turn your head and look!
What's wrong with that. Cameras are for lazy people.
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chui
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 1:38:00 PM

yes............
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AlTraveler
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 12:18:10 PM

yes
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Maka1
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 12:13:53 PM

no
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nordlead
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 12:05:45 PM

no, since they are 2D displays. You can't see how far away whatever it is that you are going to run over, only that it is there. They will also be low resolution. Both of those factors make human eyes looking out the rear window vastly superior. We should pass a law that says you have to look out the rear window instead.
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Terdburner
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 11:45:30 AM

Mandatory. Now. My beaver insists only those who disagree will have to pay for it.
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mkohly
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 11:33:25 AM

Should NOT be mandatory!

If you need it, pay for the option, but don't force everyone to buy something they don't need.

I almost never use reverse: I get to work while the parking lot is empty and call always drive into my spot, then drive out while going forward on the way home. The house has a circular drive-way so no need to ever go backwards.
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Alturki83
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 10:58:51 AM

yes, it is easier and saver than not to have one.
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Pspeed
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 10:39:24 AM

Yes, definitely. Since I only drive backwards anyway. Now I won't have to turn by head.
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keo
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 10:24:08 AM

no
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ricebike
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 9:41:17 AM

as a fedex driver, it's a very good tool for safety

i saw a kid jump on the back bumper step when I started the van; scanned all mirrors and saw him on the camera... immediately i opened the back door and scared him off :P
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leveit2clever
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 9:08:03 AM

Yup. And jumper rods with jato assist underneath the car for unexpected crevasses. And air tight seals with a pop-up snorkel so you can drive underwater.
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elmo_good
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 8:46:19 AM

Cameras no, ultrasonic detectors are part of many new cars, if you want protection there are radar units available. More electronic gadgets to distract drivers. from the ad above: Rear-View Camera Kits $79.99 LCD Monitor & Color Backup. System w/Nightvision. Order Online! If you feel the need buy one but as for me no. how many people are going to be injured due to watching the camera instead of paying attention to the act of driving? What next mandate Heads Up Displays? I love the mandated air pressure monitors, like you don't know when your tires are low or flat, duh. Get out and inspect your car. Walk around it and look at it for those that don't have a clue.

Like the man said "Common sense is so uncommon."

elmo_good
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oolalaa
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 8:25:18 AM

No, because it adds cost and it's hard to use. You can't use it to steer in my experience so you're looking at your mirrors, not the camera. The alarms are better becuse you hear the obstruction (pole, pet, child) and can stop before you hit.
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RevDrCBJ
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 8:20:00 AM

Should be optional equipment
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HFAJR0034
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 8:15:58 AM

yes
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Lengas
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 8:08:49 AM

Yes definitely
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dwgmeg
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 7:55:30 AM

i had back up alarms on my van when i purchased it and decided to put a back-upcamera on my truck it was a god send as it help helped on many occasions where i could of hurt somebody or animal many times
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N9HVP
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 7:32:36 AM

Yes.
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Kana
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 6:41:38 AM

Mandatory b|u cameras, No.
many of the available options on today's vehicle are for for the occupants comfort or convenience. These options also add to the price of the vehicle.
B\u camera's are a benefit on some larger vehicle such as mini vans.

B\u alarms are an effective warning device and less expensive than cameras. When you learn to drive you are taught to make sure the area is clear\unobstructed before backing-up. Just the same as your supposed to check your mirrors and use turn signals before changing lanes.

If your vehicle is equipped with a b\u camera or blind spot monitors, etc. and you still have an accident. Are you more liable for failing to use the devices?
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AlTraveler
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 5:57:59 AM

yes
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OKRifle
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 5:50:35 AM

No
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SSchmidty
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 5:24:58 AM

It's all about more safety not less!
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BaLakov100
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 3:47:52 AM

No
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 3:42:36 AM

Nope, not mandatory. They may be nice options and market will drive price and they will likely be standard in the future. For those that think these will save lives, it isn't that simple. Too many electronics and distractions already. There are too many that are just going around in a fog and will stare blankly at the screen and ignore other sensory input around them. A camera takes active utilization by the person, just like walking around their car and using their mirrors. You cannot legislate away stupidity or accidents.

Back up sensors would do more and may break through the fog of today's distracted drivers.

Parents need to also take more responsibility with their kids. Period. Folks keep talking about the 22 month in FL. Well, that accident might have happened even with a camera - a kid running behind a car can happen too fast for someone to respond to regardless of a camera. That mother should have had that 22 month old firmly in tow. She was distracted and went back to her car letting the kid wander off in a busy parking lot.

BUC (at the level that would be mandated) would not be of great quality. They do not have good depth of view, and do not cover all "potential" risks of backing up. Folks will rely on them rather than good common sense and their full set of senses as they focus on a screen INSIDE their car and not see the big picture.

They are a tool that can be used to help, or a tool that can be used improperly and add more risk. Leave them to those that want to pay for them, and hopefully, they will be the ones to use them properly.
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ranger1169
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 3:40:25 AM

no
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dongo50
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 3:25:56 AM

no
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cigarman409
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 3:23:19 AM

optional only
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cigarman409
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 3:22:51 AM

no
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Ziggy1962
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 2:04:49 AM

No.
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 2:04:42 AM

no
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ranger1169
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Message Posted: May 3, 2012 9:38:00 PM

no
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Message Posted: May 3, 2012 9:15:20 PM

No
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