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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 9:01:00 PM

Should the 1,700-mile Keystone XL pipeline, as proposed by TransCanada Corp., be built? Which answer most closely reflects your opinion?
Yes, as originally proposed
Yes, but following a different route
Yes, but with some other conditions
No, there is too much risk of leaks and pollution
No, Canadians should build their own refinery
No, the tar sands oil is not worth extracti
Post your thoughts about this poll below.
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Ziggy6401
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 6:25:30 PM

We need jobs
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rjr54
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 9:59:00 PM

The eastern provinces are like the Americans, they don't want Canadian oil.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 9:09:56 AM

Wouldn't a pipeline to the east coast make more sense, so Canadian refineries could use less imported oil?
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rjr54
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 7:16:41 AM

No. I don't think the USA actually wants Canadian crude oil.

I think Canada should build the Northern Gateway pipeline instead so the construction jobs stay here. And then sell our crude to China; they definitely want it.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 3:48:40 PM

What makes you think that the little bit that hasn't been approved will do anything to help the economy or jobs?
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kglazier67
Rookie Author Illinois

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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 8:48:43 PM

Yes, as originally proposed. Come Obama - let it be built to help the economy and jobs situation!
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sonicmustang
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 4:22:25 AM

Yes, as originally proposed
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achung53
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 9:54:51 AM

Yes, as originally proposed
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Minka12
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2012 10:49:37 PM

as originally proposed
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bill294
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 5:09:18 AM

Yes, as orginally proposed
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pricewar
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 1:09:17 AM

ok
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fhnorth
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 9:20:05 PM

Yes, but with some other conditions
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gizmojoe
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 7:20:22 PM

Yes, yes, yes!!
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ggg452
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 9:02:42 AM

ok
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Ferdman17
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2012 2:31:25 PM

Yes, as originally proposed
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rjhenn
Champion Author Des Moines

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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 9:11:13 PM

Why build it? It would only create a few jobs. And most of the energy will be exported.
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gaspumpin
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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 11:18:19 AM

YES! Build it! Jobs, jobs, jobs. Energy, energy, energy.
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s90201
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 7:25:36 AM

Yes it should be built, it would be a good thing for the country
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Sumflow
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 3:35:43 AM

Pipeline is OK, route is not. Why not run next to existing line?

The only reason they want to go border to border is to take advantage of Texas tax treatments. Give them the special tax up north and refine it up there.
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twopairAL
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Message Posted: May 11, 2012 11:06:33 AM

One: it will put people to work
two: it will get them off unemployment and it will help put money back into the tax system
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Summerwine
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2012 8:07:17 AM

Yes, as originally proposed
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2012 10:01:58 AM

NO IT SHOULDN'T
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HFAJR0034
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2012 4:02:39 AM

YES IT SHOULD
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crazy49920
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 12:46:24 PM

judging from what i read the only reason the pipeline is considered for the u.s. is because canadians wont allow the pipeline to be built in their own country and it wont lower gas prices at all were using less gas now than 4 or 5 years ago the refineries are selling the excess gas they make to other country's right now as i see it the speculators are the ones making the price go up i think the best way to control the oil market is to take it off the market and make it a law that only the oil refineries can buy crude oil not the big money banks keeping the price as high as it is
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MOPARTECH
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 8:10:18 PM

YES it should. it will provide jobs for americans.
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Mekuru
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2012 12:21:29 PM

i dont know enough to decide correctly
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2012 9:12:53 PM

gmac718 - "How can have more oil moved from Canada and North Dakota cause gas prices to raise as it would bring more gas and oil to the refineries which would
produce more product cause prices to raise?"

1) Those refineries are already producing more product than we're using, which is why they're exporting more product to other countries.

2) If you get Canadian crude down where the crude itself can be exported, the refineries everywhere will have to pay world market prices for it, not domestic market prices. That, in and of itself, is projected to increase the price of gas in the Midwest by about 20¢ a gallon.
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gemarti
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2012 7:25:01 PM

I have read articles which say that the tar sand pipeline would not effect prices in the United States. The refineries in the US would refine the product and then pedal it on the world market at currect cartel and Wall Street controlled prices.

I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the paragraph above but I did read it in a credible auto magazine.

Anyway, if it were built, I think they should reroute it to avoid the large acquifers in Nebraska, South Dakota, etc. I don't expect it to lower the prices much at all. We could dump half of the strategic reserve onto the market and the stock market would move upward for a time and the gas prices might drop 5 or 10 cents a gallon until the excess was gone but that would be about it.

We have to find an alternative source of engergy and I don't know why we don'g to with natural gas which can be held in liquid form under pressure. There would be a drop in fuel efficiency but it would be worth it.
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boops54
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2012 5:43:53 PM

Yes, with conditions
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gmac718
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2012 7:43:08 AM

How can have more oil moved from Canada and North Dakota cause gas prices to raise as it would bring more gas and oil to the refineries which would
produce more product cause prices to raise?
Build the pipe line as the controls are outstanding for the pipelines and I say build it as was planed we have more oil than the Arabs if they will let us get it out of the ground
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2012 5:24:48 PM

Why raise gas prices by building this pipeline?
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DutchTreatMI
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2012 2:17:30 AM

Yes the Keystone XL Pipeline should be built.
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DutchTreatMI
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2012 2:17:29 AM

Yes the Keystone XL Pipeline should be built.
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Daveon1946
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 1:43:04 PM

yes, go for it
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AriesMMD
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:53:20 AM

Just Do It
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:29:18 AM

scampster - "Yes, but modify the route, or construction of such to negate risks - we need jobs and the other benefits of such would help too."

The few jobs created by this will have no discernable effect on employment in this country.

And what other benefits? Higher gas prices? More profits for the oil companies?
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HFAJR0034
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 4:26:22 AM

yes as oringinally proposed.
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HFAJR0034
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 4:26:12 AM

yes as oringinally proposed.
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HFAJR0034
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 4:26:03 AM

yes as oringinally proposed.
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scampster
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2012 6:22:40 PM

Yes, but modify the route, or construction of such to negate risks - we need jobs and the other benefits of such would help too. Nothing will happen soon though even if kept everything as in the original route proposed. Do it under the best plan in a short period of time if possible.

One need only look to NASA and the Space Shuttle program for what happens if government allows companies to cut corners for the sake of progress faster. Most notable the Challenger under the Reagan administration. I never understood why it took off that cold day, had looked at Good Morning America and heard there would be yet another weather delay, and next I know hours later I hear it blew up. To me the biggest shock ever of something like that happening and end of age of my generation that the USA could do all things good and progress fast. Having not long before that been on a tour of the Kennedy Space Center - and recent opening of EPCOT Center at Disney World - both of which promised we could do space often and fast for a bright future. The Universe of Energy sponsored by Exxon at the time was the most notable of several space shuttle messages presented at EPCOT Center.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:54:58 PM

Randy1123CA - "We are idiots if we don't do this"

Considering how much misinformation, disinformation and outright lies we're being fed about this, we're probably idiots if we do do this.
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Randy1123CA
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:28:27 AM

We are idiots if we don't do this
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rjr54
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 4:28:13 AM

To AndrewIN, re: YES!! It will create jobs and help us secure a semi-domestic source of oil.

I hate to break this to you, but this is a foreign source of oil. We are on a little better speaking terms with you than say, Iran is with USA. But we are still a separate country.
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pianomanNE
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2012 8:47:45 AM

As a Nebraskan, I am concerned about impact on the Ogallala aquifer. Since Kestone agreed to move the pipe to the eastern edge of the aquifer, I have fewer reservations than before. The water in the aquifer moves west to east, i believe, and penetration of the aquifer by cride oil is unlikely. So, on balance, I would rather see Canadian oil added to world supplies than Middle eastern oil. Who knows for sure how this will turn out? We hope for the best.
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jep39
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2012 11:05:06 AM

If it is built, it will create some job but where will workers come from.
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ltalbott2012
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 3:13:43 PM

No matter how much gas comes out of the end of that pipe we'll never see lower gas prices. We will need many more holes in the ground than that!

[Edited by: ltalbott2012 at 2/14/2012 6:14:44 PM EST]
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snowmoose
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 8:57:54 AM

Yes, but it should follow a different route, some of the grasslands and small natural lakes would be disturbed if they stuck to the original plan, there are other options.
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samtrans
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2012 12:37:08 PM

wow I don't see many posts from Canadians?
When politics are involved who know what's really going on...
I do agree that this pipeline will not benefit the consumer, our government just wants a piece of the pie that is mostly given to the unethical oil barons of the east and their gold plated sports car while their women are treated like live stock. I honestly would love to see how well they would do selling sand instead of oil. I'm sick and tired of being held hostage by these people, we need oil plain and simple and I would love to buy it only from an ethical country, a country who treats all of their people with respect and dignity. So in the end I'm not sure if this pipeline will create jobs or lower the cost or harm mother nature but we need to stop funding their way of life because I am sure of who is harmed and how, when we buy it from the east.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2012 12:02:32 PM

AndrewIN - "YES!! It will create jobs and help us secure a semi-domestic source of oil."

It will increase the price of gas in Indianapolis by about 20¢ a gallon.
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AndrewIN
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2012 6:36:22 AM

YES!! It will create jobs and help us secure a semi-domestic source of oil.
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