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lefty78312 Champion Author Syracuse Posts:14,153 Points:2,224,335 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Dec 2, 2007 6:48:13 AM Ignore lefty78312 Report Abuse On the evening news last night, they ran a featured segment about the Saudi woman who was sentenced to 6 months in prison and 200 lashes because she was raped by 7 Muslim men. Her original sentence was 90 lashes, but it was increased when she appealed it. I understand that she is still appealing, and one of the judges who might hear her appeal has publicly stated that if it were up to him, he would sentence her to death. I know some Muslims in this country who decry the harshness of her sentence, but apparently there aren't many in Saudi Arabia. It's religious fanaticism to the nth degree.

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On the evening news last night, they ran a featured segment about the Saudi woman who was sentenced to 6 months in prison and 200 lashes because she was raped by 7 Muslim men. Her original sentence was 90 lashes, but it was increased when she appealed it. I understand that she is still appealing, and one of the judges who might hear her appeal has publicly stated that if it were up to him, he would sentence her to death.

I know some Muslims in this country who decry the harshness of her sentence, but apparently there aren't many in Saudi Arabia. It's religious fanaticism to the nth degree.

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Panda Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:20,257 Points:3,693,235 Joined:Feb 2002	Message Posted: Apr 2, 2008 5:14:04 PM Ignore Panda Report Abuse ...or "original sin," the normal collective state of humanity according to Christian teachings.
trinuclear Champion Author Albany Posts:9,779 Points:601,410 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Apr 2, 2008 12:55:58 PM Ignore trinuclear Report Abuse >>>If the history of humanity were the clinical case history of a single human being, the diagnosis would have to be: chronic paranoid delusions, a pathological propensity to commit murder and acts of extreme violence and cruelty against his perceived “enemies”—his own unconsciousness projected outward.<<< It is a condition called SIN.
Panda Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:20,257 Points:3,693,235 Joined:Feb 2002	Message Posted: Apr 2, 2008 12:38:53 PM Ignore Panda Report Abuse Trinuclear, There is historical, present and future relevance for any religion. Author Eckhart Tolle, author of “A New Earth” wrote: >>If we look more deeply into humanity’s ancient religions and spiritual traditions, we will find that underneath the many surface differences there are two core insights that most of them agree on. The words they use to describe those insights differ, yet they all point to a twofold fundamental truth. The first part of this truth is the realization that the “normal” state of mind of most human beings contains a strong element of what we might call dysfunction or even madness… The collective manifestations of the insanity that lies at the heart of the human condition constitute the greater part of human history. It is to a large extent a history of madness. If the history of humanity were the clinical case history of a single human being, the diagnosis would have to be: chronic paranoid delusions, a pathological propensity to commit murder and acts of extreme violence and cruelty against his perceived “enemies”—his own unconsciousness projected outward. Criminally insane, with a few brief, lucid intervals. <<
trinuclear Champion Author Albany Posts:9,779 Points:601,410 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Apr 2, 2008 12:06:58 PM Ignore trinuclear Report Abuse Panda, the difference is that your post is completely fabricated and highly unlikely to happen, while there is a very real, clear and present danger from radical Islam.
Panda Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:20,257 Points:3,693,235 Joined:Feb 2002	Message Posted: Apr 2, 2008 7:56:42 AM Ignore Panda Report Abuse Reminds me of "The Handmaid's Tale" by Margaret Atwood. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Handmaid's_Tale >>The Republic of Gilead The government of the United States was overthrown several years before the opening of the novel. The country has been taken over by Christian fundamentalists who have abrogated the constitution and founded a theocratic state. This Republic of Gilead is ruled through Biblical fundamentalism and rigid enforcement of social roles vaguely resembling Dominionism. Most citizens, and all women, have been stripped of their freedoms. This revolution succeeded because terrorist acts caused the populace to become fearful, suspend criticism of the government, and accept "temporary" measures that became permanent. This theocracy was planned by conservative Christians, based on their interpretation of Biblical law. The state religion, which draws on an evangelical version of Christianity, is the only system of belief that is allowed. The rulers believe they have a cultural mandate to create and govern this new society, aspects of which are based on harsh interpretations of the Old Testament. For example, the most severe form of punishment is public stoning to death, the so-called "particicution" (participatory execution), similar to justice under the Taliban in Afghanistan. The military dictatorship has proclaimed martial law as "hordes of guerrillas" are said to roam the countryside. All those who threaten the ideology of Gilead, and those who will not repent — political and religious dissidents, pro-choice advocates (called "abortionists"), and homosexuals (who are accused of "gender treachery") — are executed by hanging and their bodies displayed at "The Wall". Those who do not conform to the new norms are pressed into service as servants or deported to "the colonies", unspecified regions where pollution has reached toxic levels, where they presumably face hard labour and an early death. Women must submit to men and no longer have any civil rights.<< [Edited by: Panda at 4/2/2008 11:00:22 AM EST]
trinuclear Champion Author Albany Posts:9,779 Points:601,410 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Apr 2, 2008 3:28:40 AM Ignore trinuclear Report Abuse Report: Non-Muslims Deserve to Be Punished A report posted on Islam Watch, a site run by Muslims who oppose intolerant teachings and hatred for unbelievers, exposes a prominent Islamic cleric and lawyer who support extreme punishment for non-Muslims — including killing and rape. A question-and-answer session with Imam Abdul Makin in an East London mosque asks why Allah would tell Muslims to kill and rape innocent non-Muslims, including their wives and daughters, according to Islam Watch. "Because non-Muslims are never innocent, they are guilty of denying Allah and his prophet," the Imam says, according to the report. "If you don't believe me, here is the legal authority, the top Muslim lawyer of Britain." The lawyer, Anjem Choudary, backs up the Imam's position, saying that all Muslims are innocent. "You are innocent if you are a Muslim," Choudary tells the BBC. "Then you are innocent in the eyes of God. If you are not a Muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God." Choudary said he would not condemn a Muslim for any action. "As a Muslim, I must support my Muslim brothers and sisters," Choudary said. "I must have hatred to everything that is not Muslim." so much for a religion of 'peace'
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:22,434 Points:2,228,950 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2008 11:46:46 AM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse This seems appropriate: "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.
KatmanDo Champion Author Detroit Posts:12,803 Points:2,613,260 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2008 9:31:50 AM Ignore KatmanDo Report Abuse "What I want to know is...What punishment did the 'men' get for raping this poor woman?!?" While I don't recall the details, I do remember noticing that the men were sentenced to some kind of punishment. You can easily look it up in a search engine if truly interested. "Cruel and unusual doesn't even begin to describe this one. There is no justification for her sentence!" One can find examples of barbaric punishment in the Old Testament as well, such as a woman being stoned to death for lying about being a virgin. Think of it as an example of folk simply following their religion without question.
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:22,434 Points:2,228,950 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 24, 2008 8:21:49 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse How incredibly intolerant of other cultures!
stereomom Champion Author Greensboro Posts:18,144 Points:2,902,735 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2008 9:32:09 AM Ignore stereomom Report Abuse What I want to know is...What punishment did the 'men' get for raping this poor woman?!? Cruel and unusual doesn't even begin to describe this one. There is no justification for her sentence!
KatmanDo Champion Author Detroit Posts:12,803 Points:2,613,260 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2008 9:22:06 PM Ignore KatmanDo Report Abuse "they ran a featured segment about the Saudi woman who was sentenced to 6 months in prison and 200 lashes because she was raped by 7 Muslim men." As I understand it, she received her sentence for going in a car with unrelated males, NOT because she was raped. An analogy would be to punish one's child for playing in the street or for crossing a busy street without first looking both ways, NOT because the child then gets injured by a vehicle as the result of doing so.
bam15 Champion Author Mississippi Posts:6,068 Points:1,147,170 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2008 8:46:17 AM Ignore bam15 Report Abuse Talk about cruel and unusual...OUCH!!