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btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 3, 2012 4:44:42 PM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse Just about an hour ago I was in the parking lot of the local Kroger's store. They are referred to as Atlanta stores here as they are always under expansion and construction. One entrance was blocked for renovation so the smaller entrance is the only one currently available. At six o'clock the lot is packed and everyone is searching for a space. I was wandering up and down the lanes and turned into another. A full-size pickup was near the end backing into a space. I saw an open spot opposite his side. As he was about half way backed into his space there was enough room for me to slide right into the other space. As it turns out the one in front is open too, so I pulled up to leave straight out without backing up. I had just been privy to a opposite side back up fender bender on Sunday at the same lot. After I parked and was exiting the car, I heard a ruckus. Someone was mad at someone and was yelling at them at the top of their lungs. Looking around from the seat of my car with the door open, I realized the dude with the pickup truck had pulled in behind my car. AND He was yelling at ME! He told me I should stay off his A--! "You M----F--- should not have followed me so F---- close!" Stunned I just sat there for a moment with my bugcatcher hung open. As his litiney of epithets continued I stood up. As I walked towards him he yeld "You crazy old ____________!" I wondered if he had seen my Obama 2012 bumper sticker. What would you have done? I will tell you later what I did, after I hear from several of you.

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Just about an hour ago I was in the parking lot of the local Kroger's store. They are referred to as Atlanta stores here as they are always under expansion and construction. One entrance was blocked for renovation so the smaller entrance is the only one currently available. At six o'clock the lot is packed and everyone is searching for a space.

I was wandering up and down the lanes and turned into another. A full-size pickup was near the end backing into a space. I saw an open spot opposite his side. As he was about half way backed into his space there was enough room for me to slide right into the other space. As it turns out the one in front is open too, so I pulled up to leave straight out without backing up. I had just been privy to a opposite side back up fender bender on Sunday at the same lot.

After I parked and was exiting the car, I heard a ruckus. Someone was mad at someone and was yelling at them at the top of their lungs. Looking around from the seat of my car with the door open, I realized the dude with the pickup truck had pulled in behind my car. AND He was yelling at ME!

He told me I should stay off his A--! "You M----F--- should not have followed me so F---- close!" Stunned I just sat there for a moment with my bugcatcher hung open. As his litiney of epithets continued I stood up.

As I walked towards him he yeld "You crazy old ____________!"

I wondered if he had seen my Obama 2012 bumper sticker.

What would you have done?

I will tell you later what I did, after I hear from several of you.

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PappaVanTwee Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:14,634 Points:677,190 Joined:Feb 2003	Message Posted: May 11, 2012 6:23:09 AM Ignore PappaVanTwee Report Abuse >>> I'd have my car crushed if it had an Obama sticker on it. <<< I'd cut off my nose to spite my face.
Panama19 Champion Author Louisville Posts:25,351 Points:2,546,255 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 11, 2012 5:54:39 AM Ignore Panama19 Report Abuse btc1, "I have yet to see a Romney bumper sticker, but I see Obama 2012 everywhere!" You can see which side is more likely to key a car for bearing the bumper sticker of their opponent.
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 11, 2012 3:51:31 AM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse Pat, like I said, I did not actually have my Obama sticker on that car. But, you would be surprised to see how many there are in this town. I have yet to see a Romney bumper sticker, but I see Obama 2012 everywhere!
PatAZ Champion Author Tucson Posts:9,253 Points:122,460 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: May 10, 2012 7:03:02 AM Ignore PatAZ Report Abuse I'd have my car crushed if it had an Obama sticker on it.
Panama19 Champion Author Louisville Posts:25,351 Points:2,546,255 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 10, 2012 6:15:28 AM Ignore Panama19 Report Abuse btc1, "Is there design work for Ford over there? They are on the increase, right?" My work before the University was in medical product R&D. I wouldn't be competent to design cars. At any rate, I can afford to retire but enjoy working too much to step out of the traces voluntarily. Thanks for the concern though.
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 10, 2012 3:54:49 AM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse Oh, you meant this story, not the Zimmerman story, right, WES03....? If I run into this guy again, I will see... [Edited by: btc1 at 5/10/2012 6:55:01 AM EST]
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 9, 2012 5:26:55 PM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse Panama, "Hard to say at this point. I loved the job and would have happily worked there till I heard the dirt hit the box. They ran out of grant funding though and had no choice. I have enough time in that I can retire from the University - no pay, but they pick up some of my insurance costs." Yep, the state and federal governments have had to cut spending. Sorry for your loss and I hope you can get with that former employer. Is there design work for Ford over there? They are on the increase, right?
WES03 Champion Author Maryland Posts:4,859 Points:1,267,995 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: May 9, 2012 5:28:31 AM Ignore WES03 Report Abuse Wish we could hear the other side of the story regarding this incident.
Panama19 Champion Author Louisville Posts:25,351 Points:2,546,255 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 9, 2012 4:30:06 AM Ignore Panama19 Report Abuse btc1, "Panama, should we be sad or glad for you? Do you know yet? I wish you the best" Hard to say at this point. I loved the job and would have happily worked there till I heard the dirt hit the box. They ran out of grant funding though and had no choice. I have enough time in that I can retire from the University - no pay, but they pick up some of my insurance costs. A boss from a previous job has asked me to go back to work for him out of my home (product design), and I have been looking for an opportunity to start my own business for many decades but never had the time and money at the same time before. Everything in God's own time and according to His plan. He opens the door, kicks me through it, slams the door behind me, and then it's up to me to do the best I can do with what's in front of me now. Same old, same old. This has been the story of my career, and it's generally turned out better than it would have had I had my druthers. Thanks for the concern though, but the situation is in better hands than my own.
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 9, 2012 3:56:28 AM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse Panama, should we be sad or glad for you? Do you know yet? I wish you the best. I take it you are taking retirement?
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 8, 2012 9:18:38 AM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse fly, I like the REAL world! snicker snicker!
Panama19 Champion Author Louisville Posts:25,351 Points:2,546,255 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 8, 2012 9:15:38 AM Ignore Panama19 Report Abuse flyboyUT, "Retirement is not all its cracked up to be - its much much better" I hope you're right. I just got my layoff notice.
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:22,896 Points:1,013,685 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 8, 2012 7:39:08 AM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse Hey bct - I can fix your problems with leaving your subdivision. Retire and stay home..... snicker..... Retirement is not all its cracked up to be - its much much better.
MarkJames Champion Author Albany Posts:1,341 Points:24,480 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: May 8, 2012 7:37:04 AM Ignore MarkJames Report Abuse Yesterday I had yet another bad driver cut me off since they were in the wrong lane of a round-a-bout. It's happened over a couple dozen times this year alone. This driver was so upset blowing their horn and yelling that they failed to slow down for the sign that says BUMP at the exit (the exit has been under construction for a couple years), so the undercarriage of their vehicle made a large BANG! as it smacked the change in pavement elevation. They must have done some major damage to their exhaust as it got louder as they drove, plus there was something hanging from their undercarriage and I smelled a strong odor of gasoline. To add insult to injury, the woman driving the minivan kept looking at me in her rearview mirror while talking on her cellphone, so she was swerving all over the road. When she took a right hand turn, she passed several vehicles on the right, nearly clipping a vehicle making a right hand turn. Then she blows her horn at the driver making the "legal" right had turn. I stopped and called the sheriff's department, not just due to her erratic and illegal driving, but due to the danger of a possible gas leak and/or frame/steering/suspension damage.
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 8, 2012 3:54:23 AM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse I hate leaving my subdivision every morning. The opposite side wants to turn into my nearest lane or cut me off to get to the Speedway right at that intersection. I called in it was so bad, one time and the police sat there and wrote over 100 tickets that day. This was a few years back. I may have to do that again to remind them! Yeah, it was bad enough for me to call in about it. I really rarely do that.
PappaVanTwee Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:14,634 Points:677,190 Joined:Feb 2003	Message Posted: May 7, 2012 6:13:59 PM Ignore PappaVanTwee Report Abuse I think you guys are right, although if I were going straight, even if I had my signal on, he'd be in trouble if he started to turn in front of me. Here's what the Indiana Statute says: ----- IC 9-21-8-21 Intersections; right and left turns Sec. 21. (a) A person who drives a vehicle intending to turn at an intersection must do the following: (1) Make both the approach for a right turn and a right turn as close as practical to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway. (2) Make an approach for a left turn in that part of the right half of the roadway nearest the center line of the roadway. After entering the intersection, the person who drives a vehicle must make the left turn so as to leave the intersection to the right of the center line of the roadway being entered. (3) Make an approach for a left turn from a two-way street into a one-way street in that part of the right half of the roadway nearest the center line of the roadway and pass to the right of the center line where the center line enters the intersection. (4) Make a left turn from a one-way street into a two-way street by passing to the right of the center line of the street being entered upon leaving the intersection. (5) Where both streets or roadways are one way, make both the approach for a left turn and a left turn as close as practicable to the left-hand curb or edge of the roadway. (b) The Indiana department of transportation and local authorities in their respective jurisdictions may cause markers, buttons, or signs to be placed within or adjacent to intersections requiring and directing that a different course from that specified in this section be traveled by vehicles turning at an intersection. When markers, buttons, or signs are placed under this subsection, a person who drives a vehicle may not turn the vehicle at an intersection other than as directed and required by the markers, buttons, or signs. As added by P.L.2-1991, SEC.9. ----- I believe IC 9-21-8-21-a-1 dooms me.
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 7, 2012 3:25:05 PM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse PAX, here in Lexington and the rest of Kentucky, no you would not have the right of way. You have to turn into the nearest lane then move over. Now, if you ever visit Lexington, do as you like everyone else does here! No tickets for that. Our police is way understaffed at the moment!
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:22,896 Points:1,013,685 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 7, 2012 6:57:48 AM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse Pax I dont know exactly what the laws are in your area. Here they are such that you just broke a law. If there would have been an accident you would have been cited and charged. Without an accident you would have been cited. A friend of mine did it near a school once a few years back here and the fine was doubled because it was in a school zone - cost him around 200 bucks I think.
jdhelm Champion Author Iowa Posts:11,894 Points:1,201,815 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: May 7, 2012 6:53:10 AM Ignore jdhelm Report Abuse here's an interesting video titled Hillbillies mess with wrong guy
PappaVanTwee Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:14,634 Points:677,190 Joined:Feb 2003	Message Posted: May 7, 2012 6:44:49 AM Ignore PappaVanTwee Report Abuse I had something similar happen to me this weekend. I was on a two way street, turning on to a one way street with 3 lanes. I wanted to e all the way to the left, and I had the right of way, as I was turning right. So I swung into that lane when turning... not realizing a man of a motorcycle turning left from the other way also wanted that lane. He was visibly unhappy, and honked his horn. He was in a hurry, so zoomed past me. Was I in the wrong? Slightly. You are supposed to turn into the nearest lane, and I went into the farthest lane. But did I still have the right-of-way? I would think so. There was no confrontation, and surprisingly since the one way had timed lights, he didn't get very far in front of me. I laughed as I passed him twice when he got caught in the wrong lane.
TAFKATP Champion Author Denver Posts:4,411 Points:33,720 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: May 7, 2012 6:41:06 AM Ignore TAFKATP Report Abuse "The only thing the Court can do is interpret the meaning of the words that are in the Constitution." In Roe V. Wade, they used a circular argument based on a previous decision to create a decision working backwards from the conclusion they wanted. It's actually very difficult to read the decision with a straight face...
sgm4law Champion Author Maryland Posts:18,856 Points:2,381,575 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: May 7, 2012 6:17:28 AM Ignore sgm4law Report Abuse "It is a changable document by decision of the US Supreme Court." Not exactly. Change only comes through Amendment. The only thing the Court can do is interpret the meaning of the words that are in the Constitution.
smooth7984 Champion Author Columbus Posts:8,671 Points:1,401,875 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: May 7, 2012 5:30:31 AM Ignore smooth7984 Report Abuse I would have made sure my 9 mm was showing in my holster (yes I have a CCP).
Panama19 Champion Author Louisville Posts:25,351 Points:2,546,255 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 7, 2012 5:21:29 AM Ignore Panama19 Report Abuse btc1, "Again, Panama, you are only listening to the survivor's story. There is that story as I related" Which you made up and you weren't there. Zimmerman was there. And all of the forensic and witness testimony backs his story. Nothing backs your story but your imagination. "But, you are still missing the point. Should he have not defused the situation?" How? When Trayvon accosted him and asked him if he had a problem with him, Zimmerman said "No". Zimmerman was not following him at the time, and was returning to his vehicle. Trayvon, OTOH, could have called 911 instead of his girlfriend and the situation would have been instantly defused, as the 911 operator would have had them both on the line at the same time and would have explained the situation to Trayvon. Or alternately, Trayvon could have reacted positively and explained what he was doing there, who he was visiting, etc. and he would still be alive today and not even in trouble with the police who were on the way there at the time. Instead, Trayvon reacted like the Miami street punk that he was, attacked the Neighborhood Watch Captain who was just doing his job, and is now dead as a result. It is a tragedy of the appearances in Trayvon's behavior and subsequent juvenile mistakes in judgment along with the racial paranoia obvious in Trayvon's thinking. This is not a complicated situation, but for the racism that has been injected into it by those on the left and by our professional race-baiters. A white kid, or even a "white Hispanic" kid, behaving in the same way Trayvon behaved would be equally dead at this point - and for the same reasons. This is not a race case, regardless of how some try to make it one. [Edited by: Panama19 at 5/7/2012 8:26:22 AM EST]
Tru2psu2 Champion Author Winston-Salem Posts:14,486 Points:1,557,580 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: May 7, 2012 4:33:41 AM Ignore Tru2psu2 Report Abuse The evidence indicates that Zimmerman was instructed not to pursue Trayvon. Twice. ---------------------------------------------------- It is one thing to follow someone at a safe distance to as not to lose their trail....another to confront someone...
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 7, 2012 3:49:38 AM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse Is it not a rule of investigation to be skeptical?
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 7, 2012 3:41:54 AM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse Again, Panama, you are only listening to the survivor's story. There is that story as I related. It is like the situation with me. I am sure that other dude has a different take on it, still. But, you are still missing the point. Should he have not defused the situation? [Edited by: btc1 at 5/7/2012 6:47:03 AM EST]
Panama19 Champion Author Louisville Posts:25,351 Points:2,546,255 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 9:24:10 PM Ignore Panama19 Report Abuse btc1, "Was there not 'evidence' that he was attacked while he resumed looking for 'the punk'?" The evidence was that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. The "…while he resumed looking for 'the punk'…" part is your assumption, and it is not borne out by the other the evidence. Zimmerman has said that he was NOT still looking for Trayvon, that he walked to the end of the block to read an address that had been requested by the 911 operator, and was on his way back to his vehicle when Trayvon accosted him and then attacked him. All of the physical evidence, the eyewitness testimony, and Zimmerman's behavior both before and after the shooting are consistent with his testimony. The only thing liberals have to back up their imaginative version of the events is their own racist motives. Mighty thin gruel, that.
eldiablopoco All-Star Author Grand Rapids Posts:897 Points:53,860 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 8:57:52 PM Ignore eldiablopoco Report Abuse Shoot first, ask questions later, lol! Self Defense!
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 7:15:04 PM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse So we automatically believe the survivor's story. Okay. Got it. That worked well for so many others. The Donner Party comes to mind...
TAFKATP Champion Author Denver Posts:4,411 Points:33,720 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 5:58:04 PM Ignore TAFKATP Report Abuse As I mentioned before: "Oh. Wait. I forgot. What Liberals "know" trumps all evidence to the contrary. My fault." Since there were only two witnesses - and one of them is deceased, no one knows for sure exactly what did transpire. But Liberals have already convinced themselves that Zimmerman should be lynched ASAP, so, no discussion is necessary.
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,583 Points:269,625 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 5:44:32 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse The evidence indicates that Zimmerman was instructed not to pursue Trayvon. Twice.
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 5:39:04 PM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse Was there not "evidence" that he was attacked while he resumed looking for "the punk"?
TAFKATP Champion Author Denver Posts:4,411 Points:33,720 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 5:35:43 PM Ignore TAFKATP Report Abuse Which directions? Since the evidence indicates that he was returning to his vehicle when he was attacked from behind. Oh. Wait. I forgot. What Liberals "know" trumps all evidence to the contrary. My fault.
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,583 Points:269,625 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 5:33:00 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse "Now, that we have had this discussion....let's talk about "What Zimmerman SHOULD have done?" He should have followed directions.
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 5:30:39 PM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse No Fox would have taken it up. Or maybe my buddy jdhelm. Now, that we have had this discussion....let's talk about "What Zimmerman SHOULD have done?" There you go. [Edited by: btc1 at 5/6/2012 8:31:12 PM EST]
TAFKATP Champion Author Denver Posts:4,411 Points:33,720 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 5:02:02 PM Ignore TAFKATP Report Abuse Well, I think you handled it perfectly. Because, as we've seen, if you'd acted against a black guy who was attacking you, the Liberal press and every Democrat in America would be trying to lynch you now - or at least railroad you to prison!
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 4:52:45 PM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse c2bravo, you need to look back a few posts. I only "said" I had an Obama bumper sticker. The gentleman yelling called me a "Crazy Old Cracker!" He was an African-American. The discussion went to the idea of the bumper sticker, just like you did. The man just had a bad day, for something I did not do.Btw, again, I told him to keep the "cracker" comment to himself, said I was sorry he had a bad day and complimented him on his good looking older truck. [Edited by: btc1 at 5/6/2012 7:54:12 PM EST]
worryfree Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:23,885 Points:1,872,050 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 4:49:37 PM Ignore worryfree Report Abuse I do everything I can to avoid hostile drivers and hostile people in general. Although I feel confident I could handle a life or death situation in some fashion I prefer to never test my preparedness. Again I point out that I bet our Florida vigilante wishes he had never gotten out of his car...
c2bravo Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,241 Points:114,015 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 4:43:07 PM Ignore c2bravo Report Abuse BTC From personal experience, I would say it was your Obama sticker. In 2008, while on our way to Florida, we were run off of the road twice by the same trucker. At first, I thought he was asleep at the wheel. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. But when it happened again about 20 miles up the road, I knew it was our Obama sticker. Then while in Florida the same thing happened again. By a pickup truck outfitted with his gun in the back window. So, if it happens again to you, don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt. I won't!!
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 4:41:58 PM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse KAT, Here is the power vested by the US Constitution to the US Supreme Court, "Article III Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office. Section 2. The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects. In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make. The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed. Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court. The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted." The decisions are made by the law of the land under the auspices of the US Supreme Court. They have been granted that power by the Constitution. A "living document" is not an organism. To try to confuse the argument is a fallacy. It is a changable document by decision of the US Supreme Court. Why do you think the two parties want to place judges on the Supreme Court. For the benefit of those citizens that voted for them.
TAFKATP Champion Author Denver Posts:4,411 Points:33,720 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 4:12:15 PM Ignore TAFKATP Report Abuse There's] the argument of flexibility and it goes something like this: The Constitution is over 200 years old and societies change. It has to change with society, like a living organism, or it will become brittle and break. But you would have to be an idiot to believe that; the Constitution is not a living organism; it is a legal document. It says something and doesn't say other things . . . [Proponents of the living constitution want matters to be decided] not by the people, but by the justices of the Supreme Court. They are not looking for legal flexibility, they are looking for rigidity, whether it's the right to abortion or the right to homosexual activity, they want that right to be embedded from coast to coast and to be unchangeable."" Justice Antonin Scalia
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 3:25:47 PM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse KAT, "Conservative goals? And what would those be? Since our goal is to preserve America, and her greatness, I would certainly agree that preserving our liberties, our Constitution, and our way of life are certainly Conservative goals." As long as the US Constitution meets the conservative narrow well-defined idea, you have no problem with it. But, as soon as it becomes Jefferson's "living breathing document" idea, well the cons go off the deep end. Our liberties? Aren't the conservatives the ones who want specific definitions of their own religious morays for personal liberties?
TAFKATP Champion Author Denver Posts:4,411 Points:33,720 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 3:15:22 PM Ignore TAFKATP Report Abuse Conservative goals? And what would those be? Since our goal is to preserve America, and her greatness, I would certainly agree that preserving our liberties, our Constitution, and our way of life are certainly Conservative goals. And the major threat to American exceptionalism is - Liberalism.
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,583 Points:269,625 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 3:12:44 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse "Best way to remove an Obama sticker from a Liberal's car!" This from a proud member of the "law-and-order" party.
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 3:09:44 PM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse KAT, "Best way to remove an Obama sticker from a Liberal's car!" I bet the bumper sticker survived. But, if that is the way conservatives think, destroying America to achieve their goals, so be it...
TAFKATP Champion Author Denver Posts:4,411 Points:33,720 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 2:46:26 PM Ignore TAFKATP Report Abuse theTower: "I said many moons ago I stopped being serious about a lot of things on here. Not my problem if people don't like me for it. In some ways, I prefer it that way. Since I have been told many times I always lie, I guess I might be doing so right now. I see no good reason to be honest about much of anything, considering what other people say and do. I am also NOT the forum police. I am not going to be "calling my fellow conservatives" out about anything. Not my job and when I posted that once before i stated thats not why I come here." I agree wholeheartedly. I don't take everything seriously on here, and quite frankly, I don't take everybody seriously on here.
TAFKATP Champion Author Denver Posts:4,411 Points:33,720 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 2:44:19 PM Ignore TAFKATP Report Abuse Best way to remove an Obama sticker from a Liberal's car!
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 5:06:58 PM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse But, you have to use it Liberally... Sorry conservatives will have trouble with that!
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 4:56:51 PM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse KAT, yours is trains, mine is cars. And I know a lot better ways to remove stickers than that! Turtle Wax makes a great label adhesive remover too.