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jujubee92 Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,714 Points:398,750 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 13, 2006 7:14:52 AM Ignore jujubee92 Report Abuse Anyone hear of the latest casualty to political correctness in college sports? Big hub-bub over the banning by UNH of their fire-it-up song, "Black Betty"--it's made national headlines, yay for us. At this rate, all our teams, mascots and songs are going to be very boring, yet politically correctly named after, say, oranges--oh, wait, that's a color--apples, rutabagas, potatoes, clouds, maybe? Ridiculous!

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Anyone hear of the latest casualty to political correctness in college sports? Big hub-bub over the banning by UNH of their fire-it-up song, "Black Betty"--it's made national headlines, yay for us.

At this rate, all our teams, mascots and songs are going to be very boring, yet politically correctly named after, say, oranges--oh, wait, that's a color--apples, rutabagas, potatoes, clouds, maybe? Ridiculous!

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Saluki1998 Champion Author Wichita Posts:3,245 Points:871,015 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 16, 2006 5:40:16 PM Ignore Saluki1998 Report Abuse I wonder why Chillyboy has not come back? :) Saluki1998
chocolateflash Champion Author San Diego Posts:14,673 Points:2,681,595 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Sep 16, 2006 12:51:23 PM Ignore chocolateflash Report Abuse Totally against ALL censorship. If it offends YOU, don't listen.
Hornetsp Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:2,158 Points:350,460 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Sep 16, 2006 12:42:52 PM Ignore Hornetsp Report Abuse They should only ban those names that groups are complaining about. Do, not ban names that have been around for decades and no one is crying foul at. The NCAA has other issues that are more pressing than to take this one on. It is taking on a issue that should be taken on by each university and college on a case by case basis not a national institution trying to be god.
Saluki1998 Champion Author Wichita Posts:3,245 Points:871,015 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 15, 2006 7:43:56 PM Ignore Saluki1998 Report Abuse Hold on guys...maybe ChillyBoy is right. "Right is Right". We should get rid of all Animal Names because after all we should all be offended on behalf of the ASPCA. We should get rid of the Spartans and Celtics because I am sure their descendants are still around. We should get rid of the Browns because we would not want to infer and color bias toward anyone. We should get rid of all street names with numbers (i.e. 1st, 2nd, 3rd...etc) because we would not want to show preferential treatment to one street over another by calling it first. The other streets might get an inferiority complex. We should remove the name "coliseum" from any sporting venue because the original coliseum in Rome had gladiatorial combat and killed slaves, Christians, and animals and we would not want to promote or glorify that type of behavior. I am sure I have missed something, but I am sure ChillyBoy will fill us in on what I have missed. What say you all, should we be offended? (This was dripping with sarcasm, just in case you missed it) Saluki1998
pcprof Champion Author Austin Posts:9,811 Points:2,453,620 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Sep 15, 2006 3:39:51 PM Ignore pcprof Report Abuse I'd like to know when this right not to be offended came about. I find it to be offensive.
Evil_Al Champion Author St. Louis Posts:1,453 Points:73,200 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Sep 15, 2006 7:17:13 AM Ignore Evil_Al Report Abuse Go Illini I will get to see the Chief in person tomorrow. Always a moving experience...or at least for me.
Illinifan Champion Author Dayton Posts:2,194 Points:374,375 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Sep 14, 2006 11:23:42 AM Ignore Illinifan Report Abuse But as stated below, it's not the Native Americans that are the most vocal about retiring the Chief. It's the "had everything handed to them their whole lives, don't have anything better to do, want to stick their noses in everyone else's business, spoiled-rotten brats" that are so passionate about it. Saluki, you don't get paid to be like this, you do it because it "makes you feel better to defend the poor, helpless people who can't defend themselves" whether they want your help or not. These people need to get a life.
Evil_Al Champion Author St. Louis Posts:1,453 Points:73,200 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Sep 14, 2006 8:31:02 AM Ignore Evil_Al Report Abuse Couldn't agree with you more C.S.
C.S. Champion Author Maryland Posts:17,473 Points:2,323,835 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Sep 14, 2006 8:23:07 AM Ignore C.S. Report Abuse Chief Illiniwek is supposed to honor Native Americans, especially in Illinois where most of the cities and counties are named after tribes, along with the state's name. Heck, in my home town of Park Forest, ALL of the streets are Native American names. It's unfortunate that a few Native Americans take this the wrong way. Now, baseball's Cleveland Indians' cartoonish logo of Chief Wahoo: THAT needs to go.
Evil_Al Champion Author St. Louis Posts:1,453 Points:73,200 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Sep 14, 2006 7:37:04 AM Ignore Evil_Al Report Abuse Illinfan.... I think the folks that compared you to a KKK member/supporter/whatever seriously need to educate themselves before making such ridiculous claims. KKK - support segregation, hate, and violation of basic human rights. Chief Illiniwek is a very well respected figure on campus as I'm sure you're aware and shows no disrespect towards the Illinwek or ANY Native Americans. He's not a a caricature or silly little mascot made of foam and cloth...like Sparty the Spartan or Brutus the Buckeye. Are the people of Sparta offended by Sparty?
Service66 Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:25,657 Points:2,024,140 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Sep 14, 2006 5:35:46 AM Ignore Service66 Report Abuse What are you getting at?
ChillyBoy Veteran Author Providence Posts:294 Points:92,125 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Sep 14, 2006 4:34:18 AM Ignore ChillyBoy Report Abuse I think people miss the point when the term "political correctness" is used. Just because something was okay in past times and just because someone goes out and does a survey and gets some results. What's right is what's right! It is very easy and simple for folk to say you ought to get over this over get over that. I was watched groups and individuals for hopes of acceptance or not wanting to make waves - accept things that they shouldn't. Or even better we've dumbed down the nation so much that many things are acceptable even in a so-called "politically correct" environment.
Saluki1998 Champion Author Wichita Posts:3,245 Points:871,015 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 13, 2006 5:31:57 PM Ignore Saluki1998 Report Abuse How does one get a job being offended on behalf of other people, and how much does it pay? Saluki1998
Service66 Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:25,657 Points:2,024,140 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Sep 13, 2006 4:33:47 PM Ignore Service66 Report Abuse 1. A 2002 Sports Illustrated survey reports: Asked if they were offended by the name Redskins, 75% of Native American respondents in SI's poll said they were not, and even on reservations, where Native American culture and influence are perhaps felt most intensely, 62% said they weren't offended. Overall, 69% of Native American respondents--and 57% of those living on reservations--feel it's O.K. for the Washington Redskins to continue using the name. "I like the name Redskins," says Mark Timentwa, 50, a member of the Colville Confederated Tribes in Washington State who lives on the tribes' reservation. "A few elders find it offensive, but my mother loves the Redskins." 2. The Annenberg Public Policy Center National Annenberg Election Survey 2004 (conducted in 2003-04), reports: Most American Indians say that calling Washington’s professional football team the "Redskins" does not bother them, the University of Pennsylvania’s National Annenberg Election Survey shows. Ninety percent of Indians took that position, while 9 percent said they found the name "offensive." One percent had no answer. The margin of sampling error for those findings was plus or minus two percentage points. Because they make up a very small proportion of the total population, the responses of 768 people who said they were Indians or Native Americans were collected over a very long period of polling, from October 7, 2003 through September 20, 2004. They included Indians from every state except Alaska and Hawaii, where the Annenberg survey does not interview. The question that was put to them was "The professional football team in Washington calls itself the Washington Redskins. As a Native American, do you find that name offensive or doesn’t it bother you?" [Edited by: Service66 at 9/13/2006 7:34:15 PM EST]
bear8882 Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,204 Points:766,560 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Sep 13, 2006 9:42:24 AM Ignore bear8882 Report Abuse Well here is who made Chief Illiniwek outfit. The first was homemade by the first Chief Illiniwek The second was made by Sioux Tribe buy 3 women in 1930.Afer the second Chief Illiniwek wanted an authentic American Indian regalia. Fund raisers for the money and went out to South Dakota in the summer of 1930 at the coast of only $15.They got a new one from Sioux Chief Frank Fools Crow and the headdress is made of turkey feathers in 1983 and is still used today. 81st year of Chief Illiniwek (2006) long live the CHIEF ILLINIWEK
Illinifan Champion Author Dayton Posts:2,194 Points:374,375 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Sep 13, 2006 9:19:58 AM Ignore Illinifan Report Abuse Anybody want to guess where I come down on this issue? I had my son's soccer coach's daughter who is a 5th year History Master's student at U of I compare me to the Klu Klux Klan because I support the Chief. When I pointed out that there are no more Illini to be offended her comment was "Well, I am!". I don't understand how some people believe that it's their job to be offended for other people. It is a key point in this discussion to point out that Chief Illiniwek is the symbol of the University of Illinois; not a mascot. The Chief was the first such symbol of a university and other schools soon adopted the tradition and called them "Mascots". Long live the Chief! Brian B.S. Industrial Engineering, 1989
Evil_Al Champion Author St. Louis Posts:1,453 Points:73,200 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Sep 13, 2006 7:07:56 AM Ignore Evil_Al Report Abuse I'm with you Bear.... The Chief is a very big deal to the U of I as well as Champaign. It is a big deal to be selected as the Chief. The Chief does not parade around the sidelines throughout the game doing silly cheers and taunts. He only comes out at halftime during both bball and football and does an amazing dance midfield/midcourt. His outfit is authentic and does not even consist of the school colors. I believe the only thing orange/blue on him is the war paint on his face. He represents the Illinois nation known as the Illiniwek Indians. You can read more here... The Chief Some great pics of the Chief... Chief Illiniwek The Chief - midfield
pcprof Champion Author Austin Posts:9,811 Points:2,453,620 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Sep 12, 2006 11:39:11 PM Ignore pcprof Report Abuse I liked it when the NCAA started giving Florida State a hard time about their mascot. FSU had to point out that not only did the Seminole tribe support them but the Women of the Seminole tribe made the mascot's costume - just to get it right.
Saluki1998 Champion Author Wichita Posts:3,245 Points:871,015 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2006 6:54:59 PM Ignore Saluki1998 Report Abuse Well I am originally from Illinois and I graduated from Southern Illinois (as my screen name might give away) and I agree completely with you. But those "radicals" have changed the definition of freedom. You are free to do anything or voice any opinion as long as it does not conflict with them (the radicals). Saluki1998
bear8882 Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,204 Points:766,560 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2006 1:20:14 PM Ignore bear8882 Report Abuse WELL AS AN ILLINI WHERE DO I START. WELL I'M THINK AS A WHITE MALE I SHOULD PROTEST THE COWBOYS, AND VIKINGS. A RELIGIOUS PERSON SHOULD PROTEST THE BLUE DEVILS, AND BLUE DAEMONS. WELL ANIMAL ACTIVIST SHOULD PROTEST THE BEARS, BULLS, LIONS, RAMS, AND ECT. WELL I LOOK AT ALL TEAM AS GREAT WORRIERS IN THERE FIELD. GO TO A ILLINI AND WATCH CHIEF ILLINWICK AT HALFTIME IT GIVES CHIL'S UP YOUR BACK. AND I'M PART INDIAN AND I DON'T SEE ANY PROPLEM WITH ANY INDIAN NAME'S. GO ILLINI
Evil_Al Champion Author St. Louis Posts:1,453 Points:73,200 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2006 3:49:39 PM Ignore Evil_Al Report Abuse Sorry...typo on the last post 100+ years of tradition. 139 to be exact.
Evil_Al Champion Author St. Louis Posts:1,453 Points:73,200 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2006 3:47:40 PM Ignore Evil_Al Report Abuse Don't even get me started about the GREAT Chief Illiniwek....200+ years of tradition all pissed away by a bunch of whiney radicals.
Saluki1998 Champion Author Wichita Posts:3,245 Points:871,015 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 8, 2006 7:16:42 PM Ignore Saluki1998 Report Abuse People need to get a life!!! All you yahoos out there who are miserable in your own lives just have to make everyone else miserable as well. Did your parents not love you enough when you were a child? Mascots are chosen to represent the fighting spirit of a team. The Bears, Lions, Tigers... They are all proud animals that have the characteristic of strength among other things. The Redskins, Fighting Illini, Seminoles, and Warriors of all kinds...These too are meant to represent a symbol of strength and I think a sense of Team and togetherness far more than animal mascots. Give it a rest! I have yet to see one Native American stand up and say they are offended. In fact, all of the interviews I have ever seen have been proud to be chosen as mascots of a team. Every person I see against it are bleeding heart liberals who cannot keep their own lives in order so they have to go and ruin others. Ok, my rant is over. Saluki1998
Cyberkedi Champion Author Atlanta Posts:13,371 Points:2,317,615 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2006 3:03:18 PM Ignore Cyberkedi Report Abuse OK, I can see the Washington Redskins changing their name, but I draw the line there. How come all these people who want teams with names like Indians, Blackhawks, etc. never suggest replacement mascots? How come no professional sports team is named the FIREMEN? Now, those guys are real heroes! Hey - the Washington Firemen! Their fans can wear plastic party-store fire hats and cheer on their team to "hose" the competition.
jujubee92 Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,714 Points:398,750 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2006 7:40:24 AM Ignore jujubee92 Report Abuse Yes, it would be nice if they could get an AD that actually wants to win, draw crowds and, oh, yeah--even HAVE sports! (Remember--UNH lost their baseball team several years ago, all in the name of equality cutbacks>)
Sweedo Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,469 Points:348,250 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2006 6:52:02 AM Ignore Sweedo Report Abuse We can thank the good AD at UNH for helping to ban the fire-up. He hasn't impressed me too much since he took over. Maybe he should go back to Colorado.
ColFlashman Sophomore Author Los Angeles Posts:142 Points:17,670 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2006 12:55:01 AM Ignore ColFlashman Report Abuse Ludicrous, a waste of time, PCers should be drowned on site.
looney_toon Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,779 Points:670,800 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Feb 18, 2006 9:27:09 AM Ignore looney_toon Report Abuse it is rediculous - people are offended too easily
longhorn90 Champion Author Austin Posts:13,724 Points:2,783,430 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Feb 13, 2006 7:21:43 AM Ignore longhorn90 Report Abuse I agree - it's just completely ridiculous how out of whack this has gotten.