mr157ifhz
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Message Posted: Jun 14, 2012 5:01:21 AM
'All I can say to everyone that is so happy with ethanol that can't believe anything said by anyone else is go find some good gas and try it yourself'
Hey, not disputing your numbers. On my car, I see no difference. Every vehicle is different. Your mileage may vary after all. What I have a problem with is people like you blaming ethanol for any and all problems with their vehicle that are very much likely caused by something else.....a fuel line leaking on a 29 year old car, and it MUST be the ethanol?
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2khawk
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Message Posted: Jun 14, 2012 4:54:28 AM
Ethanol free is best.
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Kawibiker
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2012 11:17:15 PM
wish we could get more of it around my area.. all of it is too far away.. anyone got any ideas how to get stations to carry it?
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nru
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2012 11:07:50 PM
Ethanol is corporate welfare
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tattoo666TX
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2012 10:44:00 PM
I will say this about non-ethanol gas. The mileage ratings on the window sticker of the vehicles we have say 18 mpg highwy (my truck) and 31 mpg highway (wife's car) and that is at 55 mph on flat ground with the temp at 79, no wind, no traffic and no a/c with windows up.
Running 93 octane non-ethanol, at 55 mph of real highway driving with the a/c on my truck will get right at 25 mpg and her car is getting just over 40 mpg.
All I can say to everyone that is so happy with ethanol that can't believe anything said by anyone else is go find some good gas and try it yourself.
Last time I put gas in my truck I told the owner of the store I would be back in another 600 miles or so and 2 young guys looked at me kind of funny and asked 600 miles or so? I said yep.
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jodybull
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 10:37:42 AM
Ethanol may or may not be cheaper, but my experience with it includes poorer mileage, less power, chugging engine, and minor damage to engine parts. Give me pure gasoline please!
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mr157ifhz
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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2012 4:42:16 PM
'On another note, about a year ago, I had to get a fuel line to the gas tank repaired on my 1983 Benz because of a leak. That had never happened before. I suspect it was because of the ethanol I had been using. Now that I’ve switched back to non ethanol, I have not had any problems whatsoever'
Fuel line leaking on a 29 year old car....yup, gotta be because of the ethanol. Fuel lines never leaked before they started adding ethanol to the gasoline? Fuel lines do not last forever, no matter the fuel. Good chance your fuel line leaked because of AGE, not ethanol.
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timmyC4
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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2012 7:20:29 AM
Amen
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ftlbear
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 10:08:09 PM
cannot get it in the DFW area!
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 3:53:57 PM
a0sz3, does canada or ontario have subsidies on ethanol?
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GM1954
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 7:59:54 AM
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Not to mention that E0 is not subsidized by the government line E10."
Exactly, what subsidy would that be?
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a0sz3
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 7:43:53 AM
Not to mention that E0 is not subsidized by the government line E10. This means that your tax dollars aren't being spent to reduce your fuel mileage.
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GM1954
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 5:26:42 AM
"ethanol free or e10, it is basic math..."
There's more to it than "basic math." You left out the part about identical route, identical driving, identical wind speed, and on and on. Unless these things are controlled, when assessing mileage, your mileage will be what your imagination says it will be.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 4:50:56 AM
ftlbear, nothing really close by for you... closest is 75 miles in st. jo, tx.
link to show ethanol free locations
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Kawibiker
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 10:37:36 PM
ethanol free or e10, it is basic math... you take what a gallon costs, and divide it by how many miles per gallon you get when you use that type.. and you get a price per mile... now, go and get you some REAL GAS, ethanol FREE and do the same thing.. now do a couple tanks, and your mileage should increase.. now do the math again.. and the price per mile should be less and your ahead even if you pay more per gallon.. I have found, example, say e10 is $3.50 per gal.. and you get say 26 mpg that figures out to .1346 per mile.. now go and get you some ethanol free gas.. it might sell for more than the e10 say $3.65 per gallon.. and now you get 30 mpg, a 4 mile a gallon increase.. now do the math, each mile is now .1216 per mile.. Now even tho it cost .15 cents more per gal, your actual cost per mile are less as long as you can get an increase.. there will at some point, that it won't do any good, if the price difference is too high, and or you don't get any more mpg that with the e10 -- keep tired pumped up, use synthetic oil, use correct weight of oil.. all will help with mpg.
[Edited by: Kawibiker at 6/8/2012 1:39:34 AM EST]
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ftlbear
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 10:09:59 PM
Please email me at ftlbear@yahoo.com if you know of ethanol-free gas in the Flower Mound, Lewisville, Grapevine area!
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CobraJ
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 10:47:13 AM
I definitely noticed a difference with ethanol free gasoline. Before all this 10% ethanol started showing up at the pumps back in 2008, my 2005 Mustang GT averaged 25 to 26 MPG combined, my 1997 Corolla averaged 36 to 37 MPG combined, and my 1983 380SL Benz averaged 20 to 21 MPG combined. Then when E10 came around, my Mustang’s average dropped to 22-23 MPG combined, my Corolla’s average dropped to 32-33 MPG combined, and my Benz’s average dropped to 16–17 MPG combined. Ever since I started running them on non ethanol again, beginning last year (2011), their averages when back up to their original pre-ethanol days. On another note, about a year ago, I had to get a fuel line to the gas tank repaired on my 1983 Benz because of a leak. That had never happened before. I suspect it was because of the ethanol I had been using. Now that I’ve switched back to non ethanol, I have not had any problems whatsoever.
The place where I get non ethanol gasoline is about 29 miles from my home. There are a hand full of other places that are a little closer, but I prefer to go to this place because they offer all 3 grades (87, 89, 93) whereas the other places only sell 89 or 90 and their price per gallon is a little more. I know what others are going to say or ask “why drive so far when you’ll use a gallon of gas to get there and gallon to get back?” Well. First of all, I can afford it. And secondly, I drive very economically to maximize MPG and to get there, it’s pretty much all highway driving where the speed limit ranges between 55 to 65 MPH. The only stop and go city driving I have to deal with is the 3 or 4 miles I have to travel to get from my home to the interstate and the 1.5 miles (45 MPH) from the interstate to get to the station. Once I’m getting on the highway, I accelerate slowly and keep a constant speed and if I can get behind an 18-wheeler, at a fairly safe distance, I can use its draft to boost my MPG.
I can verify this because my Mustang has a fuel economy meter and in my fill up trips, it always averages between 30 to 31 MPG on the highway while travelling an average of 60 MPH. On one trip, I drafted behind a semi and the MPG went up to 34 MPG.
As long as I have a supplier of E0 gasoline, I won’t ever go back to E10.
[Edited by: CobraJ at 6/7/2012 1:50:01 PM EST]
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Red1033
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 5:36:10 AM
Newnan GA has a gas station at Roscoe Rd that offers Ethanol free gas. I plan to start gettting my gas there, but haven't as of yet. Anyone been there? Do you really notice a difference with the ethanol free? Does your repair bill go down too? Just curious about these things, from those of you have been using e-free, and what you have noticed different.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 5:25:02 AM
reb4 wrote: "And by the way, thanks for keeping this up on top... keep it "up"..."
No problem.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 5:17:42 AM
krzysiek_ck, as i said before, you have any information on a location in or around chicago, il that offers e0 for use in unleaded fueling, low compression engines please.... And by the way, thanks for keeping this up on top... keep it "up"...
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 5:07:58 AM
reb4 wrote: "Looks like closest e87 is peru, Illinois or oglesby, Il, or east troy, wi"
As I have said, one site and you believe your homework is done.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2012 5:46:43 PM
CK I did my homework, and you came and told me there was e0 being sold.
The only 85 octane fuel I have noticed was at the station you told me had e0 fuel on diversey and central...
Note the 85 octane next to the 110 racing fuel...
By the way, that was the octane level for the pump for e85 fuel..
imagine that...
Looks like closest e87 is peru, Illinois or oglesby, Il, or east troy, wi
And it looks like the gas in oglesby and east troy, wi are 20 to 30 cents less... imagine that...
[Edited by: reb4 at 6/6/2012 8:49:08 PM EST]
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2012 7:17:24 AM
reb4 wrote: "Again ck, using e0 will not void my warranty, using e15 will."
Not true, using E0 with the octane rating lower than 87 will void your warranty.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2012 7:15:48 AM
reb4 wrote: "By the way, my "whineing" was that I did not have an option to buy ethanol free fuel for my vehicle(s)...."
First of all, you don't even know if unleaded E0 is sold in Chicago area, because you refuse to do your homework. You found one site that does not list E0 gas stations in Chicago area and you believe you are done.
At the same time, you claim you follow Toyota Prius Owner’s Manual while at the same time you complain about other people polluting. Of course you completely dismiss part of Toyota Prius Owner’s Manual that states clearly why Toyota wants you to use E10.
"Toyota recommends the use of cleaner burning gasoline and appropriately blended reformulated gasoline. These types of gasoline provide excellent vehicle performance, reduce vehicle emissions and improve air quality."
Will you make your mind up? Can you follow your own teaching?
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2012 7:07:26 AM
"The only funny thing here is that you claim to worry about your vehicle's warranty when E15 is discussed, but you change the subject then the octane rating of E0 is discussed."
Again ck, using e0 will not void my warranty, using e15 will.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2012 7:00:40 AM
The only funny thing here is that you claim to worry about your vehicle's warranty when E15 is discussed, but you change the subject then the octane rating of E0 is discussed.
reb4 wrote: "Have you ever purchased fuel at this station or did you just search the internet and find it..."
I have not purchased fuel at this station. I know about it from my list of racing gas stations in Chicago area.
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 6/6/2012 10:01:16 AM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2012 6:54:08 AM
Funny you should bring up "octane" levels... ck...
Notice this pump you indicated I should check out for "e0" fuel...
This pump offeres diesel (on left) and Racing fuel and e85 (on right)Please review the labels on the pump at citgo dealer selling 110 fuel.
The station had a pump that offered 110 racing fuel which you indicated had e0 with LEAD in it. Now the pump offered e85. Notice the octane rating of the fuel...
Now, I guess I would not be wise to fuel with e85 since the stated octane is 85.. Of course I wouldn't buy anything at this station since I would not trust them... Have you ever purchased fuel at this station or did you just search the internet and find it...
By the way, my "whineing" was that I did not have an option to buy ethanol free fuel for my vehicle(s)....
You turned it around and said that e0 was available in the chicago area...
VERY FEW vehicles can properly use leaded fuel... Of course, that is your specialty, misLEADing people... and twisting things around and then name calling...
[Edited by: reb4 at 6/6/2012 9:57:08 AM EST]
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2012 5:28:43 AM
reb4 wrote: "Since the only gasoline that is available in Chicago area is leaded, guess there is no option for me to buy fuel in the chicago area for my vehicle."
Until recently you also thought there is any E0 sold in Chicago area. With little research you would be surprised what you could learn.
reb4 wrote: "Top Tier fuel is likely more important than ethanol...."
Do you mean World-Wide Fuel Charter (WWFC)? Toyota Prius Owners Manual does not mention Top Tier, on the other hand:
"Gasoline quality standards
Automotive manufacturers in the US, Europe and Japan have developed a specification for fuel quality called World-Wide Fuel Charter (WWFC) that is expected to be applied worldwide.
The WWFC consists of four categories that are based on required emission levels. In the US, category 4 has been adopted.
The WWFC improves air quality by lowering emissions in vehicle fleets, and customer satisfaction through better performance."
I believe the most important is the minimum octane rating:
"Use of unleaded gasoline with an octane rating lower than 87 may result in engine knocking. Persistent knocking can lead to engine damage."
reb4, this is actually very important to you. Knowing that in some areas that sell E0 the octane rating is lower than specified on the pump, you are going to void you warranty by using product with the octane rating lower than 87.
This is still part of the Owners Manual:
"Toyota recommends the use of cleaner burning gasoline
Cleaner burning gasoline, including reformulated gasoline that contains oxygenates such as ethanol or MTBE (Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether) is available in many areas.
Toyota recommends the use of cleaner burning gasoline and appropriately blended reformulated gasoline. These types of gasoline provide excellent vehicle performance, reduce vehicle emissions and improve air quality."
Nothing will change a fact, that Toyota wants you to use E10.
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 6/6/2012 8:29:19 AM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 5:07:53 PM
antiguzzle, as I have said all along, it appears we have no location in the chicago area that is allowed to sell e0 in without LEAD...
Even the station which CK_krzysiek sent me to could really state anything, it was the strangest pump I have ever seen...
How much is it now in your area?
krzysiek_CK,
My Toyota Manual states:
6-1 Specifications:
"Do Not use leaded gasoline"
Since the only gasoline that is available in Chicago area is leaded, guess there is no option for me to buy fuel in the chicago area for my vehicle.
"Do not use gasohol other than that stated here.
Other gasohol may cause fuel system damage or vehicle performance
problems"
" When refueling with gasohole
Take care not to spill gasohol. It can damage your vehicle’s paint."
Also States:
"Toyota does not recommend blended gasoline
l Toyota allows the use of oxygenate blended gasoline where the oxygenate
content is up to 10 % ethanol or 15 % MTBE."
Also states (right above where you quoted)
"Toyota recommends the use of gasoline containing detergent additives
l Toyota recommends the use of gasoline that contains detergent additives
to avoid build-up of engine deposits.
l All gasoline sold in the US contains detergent additives to clean and/or
keep clean intake systems."
"Toyota recommends the use of gasoline containing detergent additives
l Toyota recommends the use of gasoline that contains detergent additives
to avoid build-up of engine deposits.
l All gasoline sold in the US contains detergent additives to clean and/or
keep clean intake systems."
Top Tier fuel is likely more important than ethanol....
Going top tier and also considering ethanol free gasoline
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timmyC4
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 1:31:33 PM
Nice
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jay93LA
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 12:32:08 PM
just say no to ethanol
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 11:37:44 AM
Shockjock1961 wrote: "However they neither require nor directly encourage the use of E10, unlike some here have erroneously claimed *cough*GC*cough*..."
Do you mean Toyota Prius Owners Manual?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 11:19:32 AM
Never claimed they didn't (I don't believe I've seen Reb4 claim otherwise either)...
However they neither require nor directly encourage the use of E10, unlike some here have erroneously claimed *cough*GC*cough*...
[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 6/5/2012 2:24:13 PM EST]
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 11:13:46 AM
Shockjock1961 wrote: "I've already checked with Toyota. I was told that the "encouragement" to use oxygenated (including ones containing MTBE) and REFORMULATED gasoline was not related to performance, but is related to smog reduction in heavily populated urban areas. OH and BTW, the person I spoke to at Toyota also said there is no specific requirement or need to use ethanol laced gasoline, and that use of anything over E10 voids my warranty since the auto is not designed to run on higher percentages of ethanol..."
Obviously the used car salesperson you have talked to is as clueless as you.
Straight from Toyota Prius Owners Manual:
"Toyota recommends the use of cleaner burning gasoline and appropriately blended reformulated gasoline. These types of gasoline provide excellent vehicle performance, reduce vehicle emissions and improve air quality."
Excellent vehicle performance - check.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 11:10:15 AM
Shockjock1961, thanks for confirming that Toyota "encourages" use of oxygenated fuel for you and reb4.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 11:03:40 AM
reb4 wrote: "So a "reasonable" person woud say you used it... But Hey I forgot it was posted by you... I guess you didn't say you used racing gas, just said it worked better than it.. and since you really are diluting e85 with e10, at least you have said that in the past... you really aren't using "e85" So i'm not sure where the "truth" is in your statements. But, no supprise here..."
Looks like you are getting lost in your own frivolous claim. So, where is the proof?
reb4 wrote: "tried to tell me to buy racing fuel"
Again where is the proof?
reb4 wrote: "As for the comment that toyota "encourages" use of oxygenated fuel, I have also contacted Toyota to discover what they have to say about this... I've spoke to toyota representatives that have indicated that the ethanol free is fine..."
Straight from Toyota Prius Owners Manual:
"Toyota recommends the use of cleaner burning gasoline and appropriately blended reformulated gasoline. These types of gasoline provide excellent vehicle performance, reduce vehicle emissions and improve air quality."
reb4 wrote: "Game changer please convince youre buddy to change his destructive habbits.. I shudder the damage he did to the environment over the years with that lead...."
I thought you care about air quality and pollution. Then again, it would not be a first lie you have written on this forum, wouldn’t it?
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 6/5/2012 2:04:39 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 10:57:39 AM
"As for the comment that toyota "encourages" use of oxygenated fuel"
I've already checked with Toyota. I was told that the "encouragement" to use oxygenated (including ones containing MTBE) and REFORMULATED gasoline was not related to performance, but is related to smog reduction in heavily populated urban areas. OH and BTW, the person I spoke to at Toyota also said there is no specific requirement or need to use ethanol laced gasoline, and that use of anything over E10 voids my warranty since the auto is not designed to run on higher percentages of ethanol...
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 10:41:30 AM
"krzysiek_ck, you posted the following: "Message Posted: Apr 6, 2012 9:53:20 AM"
reb4 wrote: "Odd that you use these fuels, since I thoght the arguement from the ethanol shrills was that ethanol offered higher octane... Now you list fuel that has higer octane then the ethanol..."
Actually I use E85 as the replacement for high octane racing gas. I have said it before and it is still true, E85 works better for me than 110 leaded racing gas."
So a "reasonable" person woud say you used it... But Hey I forgot it was posted by you... I guess you didn't say you used racing gas, just said it worked better than it.. and since you really are diluting e85 with e10, at least you have said that in the past... you really aren't using "e85" So i'm not sure where the "truth" is in your statements. But, no supprise here...
And you indicated that e0 was available when I said I had no choice.
Now you are saying it is, but the only e0 is with lead (which frankly I don't know that except for your comments, and when I meet with the epa to discuss this).
As for the comment that toyota "encourages" use of oxygenated fuel, I have also contacted Toyota to discover what they have to say about this... I've spoke to toyota representatives that have indicated that the ethanol free is fine...
[Edited by: reb4 at 6/5/2012 1:45:11 PM EST]
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 9:02:59 AM
I never saw krzysiek ck post that he used leaded gasoline. I didn't even think that leaded gas was an option anymore.
[Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 6/5/2012 12:03:15 PM EST]
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 8:39:38 AM
reb4 wrote: "krzysiek_ck, what are you talking about?"
Let's see some proof.
reb4 wrote: "tried to tell me to buy racing fuel"
reb4 wrote: "hey he wouldn't even convert to stop using lead in his car"
While at it. Can you answer this question already?
reb4 are you planning to continue whine about the lack of E0 in Chicago area knowing fairly well that Toyota wants you to use E10?
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 6/5/2012 11:43:56 AM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 8:01:16 AM
"I'm still waiting reb4. "
krzysiek_ck, what are you talking about?Are you indicating you never used 110?
How would I have pictures of you, you never agreed to meet?
You want to meet?
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Trev71
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 7:40:54 AM
10%
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 5:32:08 AM
I'm still waiting reb4.
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Red1033
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 5:11:16 AM
Is there any stations in GA that anyone knows of?
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 7:06:25 AM
I'm waiting reb4.
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20Yoleven
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 4:03:08 AM
IMHO, converting our food supply, into car fuel, was a huge mistake. Because we have huge supplies of untapped shale oil, and shelved clean coal technology. Meanwhile, among other things, Ethanol have raised our grocery prices.
Some where there’s going to have to be a line drawn in the sand, with the environmental wackos. Their nonsense has to stop, or be stopped.
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RedRider1OK
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Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 9:20:00 PM
3.09 in OKC today for ethanol free gasoline. Anybody found cheaper?
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 8:34:18 PM
oops, i meant why they got rid of lead.. not ethanol... so funny... I guess I've been laughing to much...
This is a correction to link I posted (bad description) .. Jun 2, 2012 4:51:13 PM
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 7:36:41 PM
Where are the pictures reb4? Where is the proof that I have used leaded gas? The other option you have is to shut your yapper and stop spreading lies.
But before you go away answer this as well.
reb4 are you planning to continue whine about the lack of E0 in Chicago area knowing fairly well that Toyota wants you to use E10?
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 6/2/2012 10:42:10 PM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 7:28:02 PM
Krzysiek , you are the funny one... promoting the benefits of ethanol and you said you were using ethanol "instead of leaded racing fuel" in the vehicle and lead in your little road toy....
Do you remember this post...
"Message Posted: Apr 6, 2012 8:53:20 AM krzysiek_ck
reb4 wrote: "Now you give me two additional locations..."
Wrong again. These two locations are listed on the google link that I have provided.
reb4 wrote: "Odd that you use these fuels, since I thoght the arguement from the ethanol shrills was that ethanol offered higher octane... Now you list fuel that has higer octane then the ethanol..."
Actually I use E85 as the replacement for high octane racing gas. I have said it before and it is still true, E85 works better for me than 110 leaded racing gas."
One of the peeps, said... "Also, ethanol is considerably cheaper than racing gas."
Could you explain your posting...
"Maybe you should concentrate on what you say rather than writing lies about what I have said. So unless you can prove your lies keep you yapper shot."
Krzysiek, if you can't handle posting in this forum, maybe you should take a break, you know work on your car... or something..
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