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migwitch All-Star Author Green Bay Posts:591 Points:16,000 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Mar 2, 2012 9:12:11 AM Ignore migwitch Report Abuse From Autoblog - CNN revealed a confidential memo written in Japanese on the Anderson Cooper 360 show last night that it contends shows Toyota engineers found an electrical problem that caused sudden unintended acceleration in a pre-production test vehicle. The news organization commissioned three separate translations of the documents, though Toyota has objected to the accuracy of each. Findings from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and National Research Council have both supported Toyota's original explanation of sudden unintended acceleration being caused by either sticky gas pedals, trapped floor mats or human error. Toyota has never admitted that electronic or software issues were to blame for any reported cases of SUA, and every investigation into the matter has failed to identify the automaker as responsible. Toyota does admit the document in question was not provided to the federal government during their investigations, but explains that "the test and document had nothing to do with unintended acceleration, or a defect, or a safety flaw of any kind." Rather, Toyota insists the document refers to pre-production testing of the company's adaptive cruise control system on a version of the Lexus LS 460 sold in Japan and Europe. A Toyota electrical engineer told CNN that the cruise control system acted exactly as it should when they input an abnormal signal, and that the test resulted in further refinements to the system. We've embedded the CNN video report after the jump, which also includes anecdotal testimony from one Lexus owner who claims that she has experienced SUA in the period since federal investigators released their findings. Toyota inspected her vehicle and provided data from sensors in her car that showed in her case, acceleration was caused by pedal misapplication. You can also read Toyota's official response just below the video. Click Here _____________________________________________________________ And so begins the end of Toyota in the North American market. Good Riddance!

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CNN revealed a confidential memo written in Japanese on the Anderson Cooper 360 show last night that it contends shows Toyota engineers found an electrical problem that caused sudden unintended acceleration in a pre-production test vehicle. The news organization commissioned three separate translations of the documents, though Toyota has objected to the accuracy of each.

Findings from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and National Research Council have both supported Toyota's original explanation of sudden unintended acceleration being caused by either sticky gas pedals, trapped floor mats or human error. Toyota has never admitted that electronic or software issues were to blame for any reported cases of SUA, and every investigation into the matter has failed to identify the automaker as responsible.

Toyota does admit the document in question was not provided to the federal government during their investigations, but explains that "the test and document had nothing to do with unintended acceleration, or a defect, or a safety flaw of any kind." Rather, Toyota insists the document refers to pre-production testing of the company's adaptive cruise control system on a version of the Lexus LS 460 sold in Japan and Europe. A Toyota electrical engineer told CNN that the cruise control system acted exactly as it should when they input an abnormal signal, and that the test resulted in further refinements to the system.

We've embedded the CNN video report after the jump, which also includes anecdotal testimony from one Lexus owner who claims that she has experienced SUA in the period since federal investigators released their findings. Toyota inspected her vehicle and provided data from sensors in her car that showed in her case, acceleration was caused by pedal misapplication. You can also read Toyota's official response just below the video.

Click Here
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And so begins the end of Toyota in the North American market. Good Riddance!

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golfer7332 Sophomore Author Toronto Posts:206 Points:76,890 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 10:27:44 AM Ignore golfer7332 Report Abuse Acceleration in a Prius is an Oxymoron like same difference.
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Jun 14, 2012 3:51:38 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Acceleration and prius should not be used together :D
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 3:03:54 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Sudden Acceleration in a prius, probably wouldn't notice it, no power in ours!
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 5:02:37 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse I think I'll keep supporting America's car companys(Ford is my choice) after reading the news lately on asian car companys
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Jun 1, 2012 8:17:13 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse 2011-2012 Toyota Prius V hybrid will get an exhaust problem fixed Toyota Motor Corp. announced a service campaign to fix its brand new Prius V, a wagon-like vehicle in its wildly popular gas-electric hybrid line. Similar to the hybrid sedan, the roomier Prius V captures the "waste heat" from its exhaust system. However, flawed components in the recovery system may cause the Prius V to leak engine coolant.
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: May 31, 2012 8:13:06 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Sudden Acceleration in a prius, probably wouldn't notice it, no power in ours!
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: May 31, 2012 5:08:35 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse PLAN TO SELL the prius THIS fall(and buy the new Ford hybrid), the wive keeps giving me the Toy Prius to drive, so I can check out posible problems, latest break lock ups in wet weather! The Prius is clearly the least favorite to drive and the Ford Escape hybrid the desired ride in our family!
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: May 27, 2012 7:30:12 PM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Ford Escape Hybrid is a better built veh. than the Prius, I have one of each, both driven equally. The Ford with 140K miles feels much more solid than the Toy with 103K on it. I don't care who sold more, the Ford wins in our family!
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: May 26, 2012 11:00:12 PM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Sudden Acceleration in a prius, probably wouldn't notice it, no power in ours!
chemist74 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:13,510 Points:2,395,980 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: May 26, 2012 6:22:24 AM Ignore chemist74 Report Abuse If the memo actually was relevant it would be all over the news and would be used in a lot of law suits. It sounds like they were hyping something that was largely meaningless.
MertieMan Champion Author Lexington Posts:14,788 Points:2,895,610 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: May 26, 2012 5:44:52 AM Ignore MertieMan Report Abuse Oh, here we go again, pick on Toyota day. I have owned Toyotas for years and years and own a new one, and this is simply not true in any respect. I have NEVER had acceleration problems with any of my Toyotas.
geobmw Champion Author Miami Posts:6,181 Points:1,403,195 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: May 26, 2012 5:11:01 AM Ignore geobmw Report Abuse dump the japanese
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: May 26, 2012 4:54:12 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Good thing they don't have much power!
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 5:19:02 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Honda like Toyota lies about MPG's, The wifes Prius got 40.3(395miles on 9.8gal) last fill NOT the 60 Toyota claims. While our Ford Escape Hybrid 2WD gets 32.5 close to the 34/31 the sticker claims. Sudden Acceleration in a prius, probably wouldn't notice it, no power in ours!
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 5:17:08 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Double trouble: Honda Recalls CR-V to Fix Control-Arm Problem Honda Recalls 554,000 CR-V, Pilot SUVs for Failing Headlamps!!! We won't be able to see them driving out of control on the highway at night!!!!! I'll stick with Ford!
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: May 11, 2012 4:23:53 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Honda unseats Toyota for 2011 "Top Junk" Award!!! BY migwitch All-Star Author Green Bay It has been previously reported that for all of 2011 Toyota would - for the third year in a row - recall more vehicles than any other manufacturer. Now we learn that Honda, not content with Toyota grabbing all the junk headlines, has sprinted to the top of the loser board with a last minute mega recall. From Autoblog - Honda has surpassed Toyota for the largest number of recalled vehicles in 2011. Wards Auto reports that Honda expanded an airbag recall to encompass a total of 2.5 million million vehicles last year, pushing the total number of recalled units to 3.9 million vehicles over 17 campaigns. Previous estimates put Toyota at the head of the recall pile with 13 campaigns covering 3.5 million vehicles. The airbag recall covers some of the most popular Honda models, including Civic, Civic Hybrid and Accord sedans manufactured between 2001 and 2004, as well as the CR-V and Pilot. The Acura CL and TL were also included. Toyota, meanwhile, found itself correcting issues with accelerator pedals and floor mats associated with the company's unintended acceleration woes. Toyota had found itself leading the largest number of recalled vehicles for two consecutive years prior to 2011. Congratulations Honda, it takes a lot of effort to build junk and pawn it off as quality. But don't rest on your laurels, as I look for Toyota to put up an even greater effort to capture the Top Junk award in 2012!
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: May 10, 2012 10:04:08 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse sounds like a math problem gone wrong if they got 70, our computer reads 46-49 most of the time, and the gas gauge is garbage, it reads empty at 300 miles. We usually take a chance and go around 400miles. We also fill to the top each time, and then just divide; 395miles/9.8gal to get 40.3 mpg last fill. Weather here is fair 50-80degrees during that tank. Thats the way I was told to calc. mpg.
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,113 Points:1,822,125 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: May 10, 2012 9:14:10 AM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse gbhugva, your wife's prius is beating the hybrid escape, and likely by better mileage than you claim.. my prius currently is working on 58.5 MPG.. 390 Miles. I'll likely wait to fill since gas is dropping ...
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: May 10, 2012 6:37:33 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Honda like Toyota lies about MPG's, The wifes Prius got 40.3(395miles on 9.8gal) last fill NOT the 60 Toyota claims. While our Ford Escape Hybrid 2WD gets 32.5 close to the 34/31 the sticker claims.
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 6:18:51 PM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse I am amazed Toyota can still sell cars, all those problems and they are still coming! Alot of slow peps out there!
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 3:40:02 PM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Are these problems on the 2004-2009 Prius' too? That would be a huge issue!
Alexi7 All-Star Author Ohio Posts:533 Points:13,890 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 4:21:24 AM Ignore Alexi7 Report Abuse I think one of the writers from Car and Driver magazine noted that when you crunch enough 0s and 1s, you're going to occasionally get a 3. Makes sense to me. That, or doofuss drivers were getting their pedals confused.
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: May 3, 2012 10:09:07 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse When I clinked on contiki's link to CR I did see more problems for the new Prius V: 2011-2012 Toyota Prius V hybrid will get an exhaust problem fixed Toyota Motor Corp. announced a service campaign to fix its brand new Prius V, a wagon-like vehicle in its wildly popular gas-electric hybrid line. Similar to the hybrid sedan, the roomier Prius V captures the "waste heat" from its exhaust system. However, flawed components in the recovery system may cause the Prius V to leak engine coolant. Good for US EV's!
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: May 3, 2012 4:50:41 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse It amazes me to StickySam.
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: May 1, 2012 4:31:49 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse That sounds dangerous, glad I buy American!
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:49:08 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 is most powerful Mustang...ever! Posted in: Commentary, by Gregg Laskoski on Apr 28, 2012 08:00 AM 2013 Ford Shelby GT500It's a beast. 662 horsepower. 631 lbs.-ft. of torque. Top speed could surpass 200 mph. That's the latest Ford Mustang V-8 which has just been certified as the most powerful series production V-8 in the world. Made in Flat Rock, Mich., the car delivers 112 horsepower more than the 2012 model, and, it even improves on fuel efficiency, getting 1 mpg more (city and highway) with estimated mileage at 15 mpg (city) and 24 mpg (hwy) for 18 mpg combined. Acknowledging top speeds in excess of 200 mph, Car and Driver magazine says: "Chew on that, Camaro ZL1. Heck; chew on that, Corvette Z06, with your piddling 198 mph. Overall, Ford says the 2013 GT500 has 33 percent more downforce at 160 mph than its predecessor. With a factory Mustang joining the 200-mph club, drivers will appreciate standard Brembo brakes with six-piston calipers in the front and larger rotors and new pads at all four corners." Car and Driver also said: "The GT500 tops the Mercedes-Benz S63 AMG by 99 hp. It beats the mighty Cadillac CTS-V by 106. For heaven’s sake, the GT500 has 232 more horsepower than does the base Corvette. Even the gladiatorial Vette ZR1 falls shy, at 638 hp and 604 lb-ft." Ford is not confirming the price just yet, but USA TODAY reported that the 2013 GT500's horsepower is matched by only a handful of exotic vehicles going for upwards of $100,000. MSN says Ford's suggested retail price will be $54,995. Clearly, cars like these don't come around very often. And in the U.S. with CAFE standards pressing manufacturers to go green, reduce horse power and shrink engines... the 2013 GT500 might be a Ford Mustang milestone edition that perhaps will not be trumped for many years. Did we mention the 662 horses? That's not a typo. What NO Asian Pony cars!! GO American Muscle!
StickySam Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,489 Points:1,161,240 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Apr 26, 2012 6:07:16 AM Ignore StickySam Report Abuse I am amazed Toyota can still sell cars, all those problems and they are still coming!
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Apr 26, 2012 5:36:09 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Are these problems on the 2004-2009 Prius' too? That would be a huge issue!
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Apr 18, 2012 5:13:58 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse When I clinked on contiki's link to CR I did see more problems for the new Prius V: 2011-2012 Toyota Prius V hybrid will get an exhaust problem fixed Toyota Motor Corp. announced a service campaign to fix its brand new Prius V, a wagon-like vehicle in its wildly popular gas-electric hybrid line. Similar to the hybrid sedan, the roomier Prius V captures the "waste heat" from its exhaust system. However, flawed components in the recovery system may cause the Prius V to leak engine coolant. Good for US EV's!
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:21:18 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Toyota have had more recalls lately!!! Not factered into CR's reports I'm sure.
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 6:39:46 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse When I clinked on contiki's link to CR I did see more problems for the new Prius V: 2011-2012 Toyota Prius V hybrid will get an exhaust problem fixed Toyota Motor Corp. announced a service campaign to fix its brand new Prius V, a wagon-like vehicle in its wildly popular gas-electric hybrid line. Similar to the hybrid sedan, the roomier Prius V captures the "waste heat" from its exhaust system. However, flawed components in the recovery system may cause the Prius V to leak engine coolant.
BT1288 Champion Author Lincoln Posts:22,102 Points:1,423,385 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 5:38:28 AM Ignore BT1288 Report Abuse Toyota, Moving Forward.....at an uncontrollable high rate of speed
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 9:12:37 PM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse TOYOTA HAS HAD SOME PROBLEMS LATELY!!
Somis1 Champion Author Ventura Posts:13,682 Points:2,614,775 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Apr 13, 2012 6:03:42 AM Ignore Somis1 Report Abuse If cell phones can cause trouble in aircraft, why not in cars?
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,113 Points:1,822,125 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Apr 13, 2012 6:00:24 AM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse funny, the only "sudden" acceleration I've noticed is in sales of their vehicles... For car sales in USA for March, sold over 99K cars in March for top 3 vehicles #1 Toyota Camry accelerated to 42,567 vehicles... #3 Toyota Prius family accelerated to 28,711 #6 Toyoyta Corolla did drop slightly to 28,289.. But this acceleration is by offering vehicles to americans that americans want...
BT1288 Champion Author Lincoln Posts:22,102 Points:1,423,385 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Apr 13, 2012 5:46:48 AM Ignore BT1288 Report Abuse Drive a Toyota, you'll never stop.
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Apr 12, 2012 1:08:13 PM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Are they owning up to the problems yet??
StickySam Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,489 Points:1,161,240 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 3:09:23 PM Ignore StickySam Report Abuse I would never buy a Toyota again, they have told too many lies.
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 5:53:52 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Are all the Honda's with problems coming from you guys up in Canada?
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Apr 4, 2012 5:10:58 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Just stay behide them :D
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Apr 2, 2012 11:00:25 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse After reading the news on Honda I'll stay with Ford!!
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Apr 1, 2012 12:25:00 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Are all the Honda's with problems coming from you guys up in Canada?
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2012 9:05:36 PM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Are all the Honda's with problems coming from you guys up in Canada?
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2012 9:16:16 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Just stay behide them :D
RacerGene Champion Author Alabama Posts:1,703 Points:366,225 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2012 5:13:31 AM Ignore RacerGene Report Abuse not for me
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2012 5:00:28 AM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse I think I'll keep supporting America's car companys(Ford is my choice) after reading the news lately on asian car companys: Keeping Up todate, This not available at time of last CR printing: Honda Recalls CR-V to Fix Control-Arm Problem : By Jake Lingeman By AutoWeek Fri 8:30 AM Honda is recalling CR-V's to inspect and possibly replace the right-front lower control arm.Honda says that the part could have been made with an improper welding process. Over time the control arm could break at the weld. If that happens the steering would be affected, possibly resulting in a crash. * You dont think this welding problem could happen to other Hondas too? Many share same parts! *
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 6:50:41 PM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Shift into Neutral!! Duh!
Weaslespit Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:8,910 Points:312,420 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 3:48:41 PM Ignore Weaslespit Report Abuse "How about turning off the key in such an event?!" Great idea, then you lose your steering assist - as well as your brakes! Brakes are designed to overcome the maximum power of the engine. If that is not enough, simply shift to Neutral... [Edited by: Weaslespit at 3/28/2012 6:49:10 PM EST]
BartandLisa Champion Author Newfoundland Posts:2,145 Points:419,400 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 2:47:42 PM Ignore BartandLisa Report Abuse How about turning off the key in such an event?! All the old ladies and other poor drivers can now blame Toyota for any and all crashes involving their vehicles.
WE0H Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,534 Points:481,060 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 12:50:09 PM Ignore WE0H Report Abuse More Toyota haters. So will future Ford Hybrid trucks have this driver induced acceleration issue since Ford is partnered with Toyota to develop the new Ford Hybrid truck line? You better post some Ford hater threads now. [Edited by: WE0H at 3/28/2012 3:50:54 PM EST]