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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 5:38:27 PM
"Acetone......not in my tank"!
Some off the shelf fuel injector cleaner has acetone in it so now what?
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Houckster
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 10:24:43 AM
FORRESJ writes: I heard that acetone causes poor mileage if you use it with gasoline with 10% ethanol.
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The effect, if any, that acetone has one fuel economy will depend on the car and the dosage. When E10 came to Georgia, I increased the amount of acetone I use to compensate for the increased surface tension of E10. To get the best result, one has to be willing to experiment. It's a somewhat tedious process that most people won't bother with.
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MANOFLEISUREII writes: xylene can be used by refiners to increase the octane of gasoline. There is probably some already in the gas you are buying, but it is an expensive way to get more octane into the fuel.
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Xylene does have a high octane value but that is NOT why it is used. See my post of May 9, 2012 9:58:57 AM.
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forresj
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 8:38:01 AM
I heard that acetone causes poor mileage if you use it with gasoline with 10% ethanol.
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ManOfLeisureII
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 7:33:04 AM
xylene can be used by refiners to increase the octane of gasoline. There is probably some already in the gas you are buying, but it is an expensive way to get more octane into the fuel.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 6:58:57 AM
First, it's not xilene, it's xylene. Second the function of acetone and xylene is to reduce the surface tension of the fuel so the fuel is injected into the combustion chamber in a finer mist than it would normally be. This causes the fuel to combust more efficiently.
Yes, both acetone and xylene are drying agents. Then, again so is ethanol. Ethanol is 10% of fuel volume while correct dosages of acetone amount to well less than 1%.
There is no rubber in modern fuel systems and there hasn't been for years.
I too use a lubricant in my fuel. PRI-G
[Edited by: Houckster at 5/9/2012 10:02:46 AM EST]
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Message Posted: May 8, 2012 7:01:53 PM
I'm not familiar with xilene at all. I'm a bit leery of the acetone because its a drying agent, as alcohol is. My concern is drying out the rubber components over time. I will stick to my Marvel Mystery Oil additive I've used for years.
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Message Posted: May 8, 2012 2:18:33 AM
houckster - "I've been using a combination of acetone and xylene for years and I believe it makes the fuel work better and the engine will run cleaner. How much? I haven't personally tested it for even an approximate figure but when my overall gas mileage on my Ranger is well over the EPA estimate, I'm sure it makes a contribution."
When I bought my 2001 F-150 we had gas with MTBE in it and I averaged 19.5 mpg with it. Then we changed to gas with up to 10% ethanol in it in 2004 or 2005 and during that first year I just used that gas with out anything added and averaged 18.2 mpg. Then I tried adding acetone to my gas in that truck after I found that the ratio of 1.5 oz per 10 gallons worked the best I kept track of my mileage and for the last three years + I owned that truck my average mileage went back up to 19.6 mpg even after it had more than 230,000 miles on it. I didn't gain what some people have claimed to (20-30%) I just got back the mileage I lost when we changed to ethanol in the gas.
Some people would say with that extra cost for the acetone would it really make a difference. Well if you use those figures at today's prices. If I averaged 18.2 mpg with just the gas with ethanol in it at $3.70/gal on average it would give me a cost per mile of 20.329 cents.
The acetone costs $2 for a 16 oz bottle. I used 1.5 oz per 10 gallons of gas so I could treat 106.66 gallons on that bottle. So that means it would add 1.875 cents per gallon to the cost of the gas. I just rounded it up to 2 cents per gallon added to the price on the pump. So that means with adding acetone my gas would cost me $3.72/gal. But if I'm getting 19.6 mpg on average with adding acetone it made my cost per mile 18.979 cents.
So by adding acetone and adding 2 cents per gallon to the cost of the gas I saved 1.35 cents per mile in fuel costs. It might not sound like much but I average 28,000 miles a year driving. So for that truck I would save $378 in fuel costs per year or $7.27 a week. I don't know about you but I'd rather have it in my pocket than the gas station's or oil company's pocket.
My father and cousin tried it as well in the automobiles they owned at the time and it didn't work for them but they didn't lose any mileage either with the change to ethanol in the gas. The reason for this I beleive is because they had flex fuel autombiles where I didn't. So their automobiles were made to run the ethanol better than mine was.
When I tried it in the 2000 F-150 I bought when I traded in my 2001 F-150 The first year I owned it I didn't use acetone in it and averaged 18.5 mpg with it. Then I tried using acetone and found it didn't work in that truck. It wasn't flex fuel just for some reason it didn't work that's all.
Now since my father has passed away I now have his Buick terraza minivan. I haven't tried using acetone in it yet because I'm first seeing what brand of gas is going to give me the best mileage and lowest cost per mile first. Since I drive more highway than he did my mileage with it is different than his was. But after that I will try acetone in it and if it works and if my mileage goes up that's great. If it doesn't that's fine as well.
I say it depends on the automobile if acetone will work or not and what ratio you will need will be different for every automobile it does work in. because for one automobile it might be 1.5 oz per 10 gallons where as the next one it might be 1 oz, 2 oz, or more per 10 galllons for the mileage to increase. You have to experiment with it and be willing to take the time to do just that.
"Another benefit of acetone is that it will clean an engine very nicely and some of the OTC fuel additives use acetone for just that purpose."
B-12 chemtool comes to mind when your talking about OTC additives that use acetone in them. Infact if you look on the lable it's one of the first five ingredients listed. So if acetone was so bad and did so much damage like some people on here say these companies wouldn't have in their product for fear of a lawsuit if someone's fuel system failed or leaked and started a fire from prolonged use of their product.
[Edited by: pinbuster2005 at 5/8/2012 5:23:42 AM EST]
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 7:07:06 AM
Let me state categorically that acetone used properly (2-4 ounces per 10 gallons) will NOT hurt your car. The only question is whether it will increase your mileage and that's largely dependent on the car.
Another benefit of acetone is that it will clean an engine very nicely and some of the OTC fuel additives use acetone for just that purpose.
[Edited by: Houckster at 5/7/2012 10:13:15 AM EST]
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 6:37:00 AM
You had better keep on being skeptical.
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 4:19:42 AM
Rip city?
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Message Posted: May 6, 2012 4:01:30 PM
DIESDOWN writes: Acetone......not in my tank!
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And your reasoning? I've been using acetone for eight years without a problem. If used in the proper dosage, the acetone is about 0.33% of the fuel. Ethanol is far more corrosive and it's 10% of your fuel.
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Message Posted: May 6, 2012 3:47:14 PM
Acetone......not in my tank!
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rick_evans
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Message Posted: May 6, 2012 4:21:28 AM
jes has the right idea.
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forresj
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Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:21:12 AM
I tried on my 23 year old car. It didn't make any difference. I didn't want to try it on my new car.
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OceanArcher
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Message Posted: May 5, 2012 4:45:56 AM
Wonder what his mixture ratio is for this "additive", and has he included the cost in his fuel calculations to get a true picture of his fuel costs per mile?
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Message Posted: May 5, 2012 4:16:05 AM
How about YOU try it & let us know.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 1:42:44 PM
There have been long and usually pretty ugly discussions on this topic. I was hoping I'd seen the last of them.
I've been using a combination of acetone and xylene for years and I believe it makes the fuel work better and the engine will run cleaner. How much? I haven't personally tested it for even an approximate figure but when my overall gas mileage on my Ranger is well over the EPA estimate, I'm sure it makes a contribution.
The trouble with using this combination is that the fuel burns more completely leading the oxygen sensors to report a lean condition that the engine tries to correct by richening the air:fuel mixture. The more prompt and sensitive to this condition the less the benefit the acetone/xylene combination will provide.
Most people will probably find it too much trouble.
After extensive testing, I'm sure my nuts aren't numb.
[Edited by: Houckster at 5/4/2012 4:44:47 PM EST]
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 10:23:13 AM
Oh I'm sure some numb nuts has tried it.
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